grandmother, 94, beaten up in her bed as she slept

Tyron said:
The Hulk, Angilion, why do you two perverts keep relating justice to sexual gratification? I bet you two are rubbing one out right now while trolling us.
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You also appear to be limited to thinking that everyone else is like you.

You have a fervent enthusiasm for torture and murder. Such a thing is often related to sexual gratification, sometimes very directly.

You are in the minority accept this.
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If we were, civilisation wouldn't exist.
 
bhavv said:
1) I wouldnt torture him. As I said hungry carnivorous animals are capable of doing that just fine as well as ending his life. And the animals get fed!

2) No one who does something like this deserves my sympathy for anything. Lots of people have mental problems, that doesnt cause them to do something like this.

3) A 'human' wouldnt beat a 94 old woman up this badly while she slept, no matter how great a lack of morality they have. Such a persons 'human rights' should be stripped the minute they are found guilty of such a crime with 100% conclusive proof beyond any shadow of doubt.

Lions and sharks need food for survival. People like whoever carried out this crime are a good source of nutrition for them.
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1) Lol. Here are some quotes from you:

bhavv said:
Torture and even death by torture is a just punishment for what was done to this woman.

If you disagree with that then YOU'RE an immoral piece of **** with zero sense of human empathy for the victim.
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bhavv said:
No because that wouldnt stop the rapist from offending again. You chop their testicles off and then they wont have anymore urges to rape people.


Hence you make sure they are dead after the torture. Then the next victim is safe.
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2) & 3). Several problems here. Firstly large numbers of murderers/violent criminals are in fact mentally ill. Second you will never have 100% proof of guilt. Third being "human" is not dependant on someone's actions or morality. It's a physical fact whether someone is human or not, and anyone that is is entitled to the same rights as you or I. As I said, this is how a mature and progressive country works.

Look at Norway. It has the lowest murder rate in the world. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2000920,00.html . Why do you think that is?

It's because they focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment. There are fewer victims, and the criminals get integrated back into society when they are fit to take part in it, which they are given as much help as possible to achieve. Net result: everyone is better off.
 
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Tyron said:
Got to love these dumb liberal views. Because we want justice we are just as bad as the perpetrator.

Get real seriously, the majority in the country would see him dead and you keep ignoring this.
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Your argument is just lol. You are trying to make it look like we are not looking for justice and you are, when the real disagreement is over whether basic human rights should be respected, and whether the pursuit of (YOUR definition of) justice should be allowed to breach them.

You are advocating as such. We are saying that these rights should be respected and applied to everyone no matter what they have done. In fact, they were created in the first place to safeguard against people like you.

Also, you then proceed to argument ad populum. "The majority agree with me therefore I am correct". I hope I don't have to explain to you how incorrect and outright dangerous this attitude can be. There was a time that black people were treated as animals, because the majority of white people genuinely believed they were. No doubt back then you would have been cracking the whip and telling William Wilbeforce "get real seriously, the majority in the country would see him enslaved and you keep ignoring this". Furthermore you have no evidence to support your claim of majority backing so it's invalid on that count too. As you can now understand we are ignoring this "fact" of yours for very good reasons.

TLDR; you are an absolute laughable fool.
 
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Norway has no where near as many 'chavs' and uneducated mob culture as the UK does, maybe thats why their crime rate is lower.

No.1 country in the world, a paradise for most of its people to live in, plenty of jobs and a well educated population.

The UK is a pure ****hole in comparison to Norway.

Things like a 94 year old woman getting beaten this badly, and infants getting raped would never happen in Norway, nothing to do with the rehabilitation, people there are simply nowhere near as ****ed up as people in the UK are.

Tyron said:
Got to love these dumb liberal views. Because we want justice we are just as bad as the perpetrator.

Get real seriously, the majority in the country would see him dead and you keep ignoring this.
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Exactly. People who only show empathy for the criminal, but none for the victim are pure scum and the minority in this case.
 
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bhavv said:
Norway has no where near as many 'chavs' and uneducated mob culture as the UK does, maybe thats why their crime rate is lower. People who only show empathy for the criminal, but none for the victim are pure scum and the minority in this case.
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Im sorry but you are full of **** fella. Why compare Norway to the UK?? Did you meet some bird from the internet and decide to live there? Yes there is horrible people in this country but seemingly Norway doesn't have these sort of people? No they are good boys im sure. They would be in bed by now.
 
bhavv said:
Norway has no where near as many 'chavs' and uneducated mob culture as the UK does, maybe thats why their crime rate is lower.

No.1 country in the world, a paradise for most of its people to live in, plenty of jobs and a well educated population.

The UK is a pure ****hole in comparison to Norway.

Things like a 94 year old woman getting beaten this badly, and infants getting raped would never happen in Norway, nothing to do with the rehabilitation, people there are simply nowhere near as ****ed up as people in the UK are.



Exactly. People who only show empathy for the criminal, but none for the victim are pure scum and the minority in this case.
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Are you for real? Have you ever engaged that thing in your head called a brain? Do you think possibly there is a REASON that Norway is a "paradise" (which it's not btw but I shouldn't need to tell you that)? Maybe it's because their people are less like you and more like me?

As for the last line of your post, we both know that's complete BS. No one here is expressing any empathy for the criminal, we're merely stating we should not torture or kill him (ie respect his basic human rights which he is entitled to like everyone else). And no-one has said or implied that the victims are "pure scum". You deliberately misrepresent our point on view in a pathetic attempt to make it seem ridiculous. How about you actually address the points I raised in my last post with some reasoned and non-misleading answers?

Oh and to top it all off you once again use argument ad populum which I already explained to you is retarded. Are you actually this stupid or are you just a really terrible troll?

It's almost funny how you think you have a morally superior position when you are advocating the torture and death of a man to serve no purpose other than your own gratification.
 
The Halk said:
Maybe it's just the internet keyboard warrior syndrome going on... but there's some real desires to do harm here.

Is it sexual excitement you get from fantasising about torturing someone?
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So if the victim was your Grandma, you would get sexual excitement over doing the following:

The Halk said:
No, I wouldn't. If it was my gran I can't imagine how furious I'd be. If I got hold of the person I'd likely tear them apart, literally. I'm not small, and I do have a temper. It'd feel right and people I think might sympathise.
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Everybody look at Halk, the keyboard warrior with real desires to do harm to fulfill his sexual fantasies.
 
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Can add me to the Sheepbeast, Halk and Angilion gang.



Things like a 94 year old woman getting beaten this badly, and infants getting raped would never happen in Norway
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No, they have psycos who mass murder children instead :rolleyes:
 
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shadesofgrey said:
No, they have psycos who mass murder children instead :rolleyes:
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Pretty much the only terrorist attack ever carried in Norway, compared to exactly how many in the UK :rolleyes:

SheepBeast said:
Look at Norway. It has the lowest murder rate in the world. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2000920,00.html . Why do you think that is?

It's because they focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment.
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Ok, please explain to me how rehabilitation has any effect on a first time offender carrying out homicide. Herp derp.
 
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Ok, please explain to me how rehabilitation has any effect on a first time offender carrying out homicide. Herp derp.
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You really should read all of the link...

John Pratt, a professor of criminology at New Zealand's Victoria University of Wellington and an authority on Scandinavian prisons, believes that the secret to the low crime levels in Norway and its Nordic counterparts is strong welfare systems that reduce poverty and inequality
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"If you want to reduce crime, you have to do something other than putting them in prison and locking the door."
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bhavv said:
Unfortunately if caught, the criminal would get:

- A few years in jail
- Free TV, bed, meals, showers, gym and maybe other stuff too
- Rehabilitation
- Released early for good behaviour.

All paid for by tax money.
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He would also be looking over his shoulder his entire sentence because the mainstream population would be after him.

I remember a case where a man committed a robbery and the elderly victim died some time later but murder or manslaughter was ruled out by the CPS. He got convicted of robbery and was shipped down south where the population got wind of him and he was beaten to within the proverbial inch.
 
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