Complete numpty gets what he deserves from the Police...!

crinkleshoes said:
Exactly... it's all based around the premise that Statutes are only made law by the "consent of the governed" or a phrase similar to that.

This is then extrapolated by these people to pretty much mean... anything outside of "common" law (no killing/stealing/etc) doesn't have to be abided by if you don't consent to it.

In reality, this definition they use is completely wrong.

Statutes are made law by permission of the queen... or something along those lines.


... it's been a long time since I read up on the carp
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If you're feeling bored then Rational Wiki has a fairly nice and comprehensive dismissal of it. It's also worth pointing out that they don't like statutes and claim only to use common law but rely on the Magna Carta which is nothing if it is not a statute.

"andy" said:
right in some ways imo , certainly not so massively and blindly against it

Why do so many people profit out of us driving ? Why do we let it go on ?
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I'm against the Freeman movement because it's fundamentally flawed and as clear a demonstration of "a little learning being a dangerous thing..." as you're likely to find. It doesn't work in any legal sense.

If you want to argue about motorists getting the short end of the stick then go ahead and knock yourself out - all I'd ask is that you use a rational basis to do so and don't make up pseudo-legal arguments to do so when they're unsupportable.

craarc said:
just an observation...

doesnt an officer have to be in uniform the aresting officer or the cuationing officer didnt have his helmet or cap on...

or has that changed now it used to be a technicality....
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Have a look, they're supposed to identify themselves as police officers via their warrant card but it would be somewhat restrictive if anyone arresting must be in uniform.
 
If he had any balls he'd pull the number plates off his car, as he obviously doesn't need them.

But of course he won't, because his goal is to avoid the law, not prove he's exempt from it, and pulling his plates would guarantee he'd get arrested on sight.
 
craarc said:
just an observation...

doesnt an officer have to be in uniform the aresting officer or the cuationing officer didnt have his helmet or cap on...

or has that changed now it used to be a technicality....
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You do not need to be in uniform to arrest. It's never been a technicality.
 
ubersonic said:
So plain clothes officers having to wait for a normal officer in a panda to turn up to make the arrests are just to add red tape and fill quotas or something? just wondering if theres a reason for it.
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This is usually just a case of a) getting backup, and b) giving the job of hauling the perps back to the station to the Uniforms. It isn't necessary, just easier for the plain clothes people. Since the arresting officer is the one who has to spend nine hours filling out forms then the DC has the authority (moral at least) to make the PC do that. And if they want the PC to do the forms, the PC also has to do the arrest.


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Meridian said:
This is usually just a case of a) getting backup, and b) giving the job of hauling the perps back to the station to the Uniforms. It isn't necessary, just easier for the plain clothes people. Since the arresting officer is the one who has to spend nine hours filling out forms then the DC has the authority (moral at least) to make the PC do that. And if they want the PC to do the forms, the PC also has to do the arrest.


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It's not just detectives who are plain clothes, and all an arresting officer actually needs to do is an arrest statement, they don't even need to present to custody.

The main reason to get a uniformed officer is usually to prevent a pain clothes officer from having to be committed with custody or for transport reasons.
 
Why do these clowns think they are above the law of the land, and the rules the we all live by are exempt to them.

If he hit my car, he would have to answer to my right to kick his nuts in...
 
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