New Samsung S23A700D 120Hz

[mrflibbleuk]

Just got these monitors yesterday and love them, really great picture. I'm having an issue with a 3 way setup and posted the issue in the graphics card section but will add here too in case anyone can shed some light on this:

I have one MSI 7850 Frozr III and 3 x Samsung S23A700D in a 3 way setup @120Hz. I'm using catalyst drivers 12.3 (12.4 was even worse).

I have two monitors connected via startech mini display port active adapters and one monitor connected on the dual dvi. Unfortunately the dual dvi screen is tearing and it doesn't matter how I switch the cabling round, for the monitors, the monitor connected via dual dvi always does this. It's not unusable but it's one of those things, that you know it's there, even in windows and just gets annoying. After looking around I found other people having this issue and it seems to be the only solution is to have three connectors all the same type. This seems really odd though when most cards, even the 680s, have 2 of one type of connector and 1 of the other types.

Looking around at upgrades, some of the bespoke 7970's have 4 or more mini display ports but that means buying another active converter or maybe just going the whole hog for a 690 which has 3xdual dvi. Has anyone else had issues with this?

 

[new boy]

My replacement arrives tomorrow after I RMAed my last one due to a stuck pixel

Wish me luck! I'm convinced Ill end up with another Imperfect one....

Service from OCUK has been great so far btw.

edit - oh yeah tuesday I suppose lol

 

[dean_ham]

I have a stuck pixel also and i will be RMA'ing it. But im asking myself do I really want a new one back. I find the screen very reflective too, anyone else find this. Compared to my old Dell S2409w monitor its very reflective when viewing dark colors!

 

[Merlin5]

I have a stuck pixel also and i will be RMA'ing it. But im asking myself do I really want a new one back. I find the screen very reflective too, anyone else find this. Compared to my old Dell S2409w monitor its very reflective when viewing dark colors!

Heh, I was able to watch the FA cup final yesterday in the reflection without actually turning around to see the TV. I think the gloss makes the monitor look lovely and new and luxurious, but yea, given the choice of a matt finish screen and passive 3D glasses, I'd have gone with that instead with hindsight. Fortunately though, no dodgy pixels on mine that I've noticed so far.

Thanks guys.

I got a slightly different e-mail (see below) from you Merlin5 so not sure if mine has actually been approved for payment yet or just sitting in the queue waiting to be processed. Guess it's a case of waiting 30 days and geeing them up if nothing materialises by then.

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Hi Mr ,

Thank you for submitting your claim for the Samsung VAT Back offer.

Claim Reference:

Your online claim is now complete. Please keep this email for future reference.

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Hi jellofund, yes I got that confirmation email at first. There'll be another one coming which will be the validation one saying payment approved.

 

[melmac]

Hi melmac, interested in this too.. I havent been able to play around with the screen much - since i got it on Friday - as been away.. but its a lovely monitor from what ive seen of it, very pleased.

I hope more people post their settings, I would love to see settings from people who have calibration hardware.

 

[melmac]

I've got mine looking pretty much like my LG monitor. This is what I have so far and it's pretty close to what I'm used to. You may find my settings somewhat dull, I don't know. But I find it easy and relaxing on the eye.
My AMD vision center settings of gamma, brightness and contrast are all on default. This is a very nice monitor.

Brightness - 54
Contrast - 60
Sharpness - 60

HDMI black level - Normal. I'm using DVI-D connection, but I find switching between low and normal does change it dramatically. I've absolutely no idea why this even works at all if I'm not connected with HDMI.

Magic Angle -Standing mode
Red - 50
Green - 50,
Blue - 40.
*Magic Angle enabled seems to grey out colour tone, gamma, magic bright and magic colour.

Overall picture quality is great, but to my eyes I'm not sure if it's sharper or better than my LG really, just glossier. But the 120Hz is a huge improvement.





I've got it all working. Better than I was expecting with my system. Skyrim looks damn impressive in 3D. I get 30fps with Tridef enabled, which is decently smooth and looks great. Load times are very slow though. Crysis warhead, again, very playable and looks good in 3D, though my framerate was anywhere between 18 and 25fps. Need for speed shift 2 worked in 3D, looked ok. Google Earth looks quite good. The 2D to 3D convertor is pretty **** after seeing these games with Tridef. Movies looked quite good, but I'd like to see a proper 3D movie.

I'm not keen on wearing these glasses though. For one thing, I keep noticing the black rubber nose protector out of my right eye, distracts me sometimes. I want to pull it off but I think they're glued and might tear. I might end up either ripping it off or look for better glasses. Also, because it's active glasses, it's not very comfortable on the eyes with those shutters going. Can see myself getting headaches. As good as 3D looks, I'm not sure if I would really want to play games in 3D that much, mostly because it's simply not that comfortable with active glasses on and more so when they're glasses over glasses. Plus the screen looks darker with the specs on. Early days though, I might change my mind. The 120Hz on the other hand makes it all worthwhile, everything is smoother.

Thanks for posting your settings You have to change the gamma before you change the magic angle. And when you change anything in the magic menu it changes the colour tone to custom.

HDMI low really does crush blacks a lot. I was messing around with it but couldn't get it to look right no matter what I did so switched it back to normal.

I feel the same about 3D, can't really decide if it's worth the trouble or not.

 

[Merlin5]

Thanks for posting your settings You have to change the gamma before you change the magic angle. And when you change anything in the magic menu it changes the colour tone to custom.

HDMI low really does crush blacks a lot. I was messing around with it but couldn't get it to look right no matter what I did so switched it back to normal.

I feel the same about 3D, can't really decide if it's worth the trouble or not.

Yeah, I'd set Gamma to Mode 3 before enabling Magic Angle. Yeah, I also found HDMI low to crush the blacks, so put it to normal.

I believe I would really enjoy the 3D a lot more if it was passive. I've been reading up on active v passive since last night. Passive glasses are lightweight, no battery, more comfortable to wear and no flickering shutters to give headaches. A lot of people say that they think passive is the way to go for these reasons. Some say passive 3D is very good, in some cases as good or better than active, some say there's more ghosting, some say there's a detectable interleaved effect visible. Like VHS v Betamax and HD v Bluray, I suspect a standard has still to be decided on tbh.


I'm wondering if any of the other 3D/120Hz monitors sold by OcUK are passive and if so, what people's experiences are. I might make a thread about that.

 

[jellofund]

Heh, I was able to watch the FA cup final yesterday in the reflection without actually turning around to see the TV. I think the gloss makes the monitor look lovely and new and luxurious, but yea, given the choice of a matt finish screen and passive 3D glasses, I'd have gone with that instead with hindsight. Fortunately though, no dodgy pixels on mine that I've noticed so far.

Hi jellofund, yes I got that confirmation email at first. There'll be another one coming which will be the validation one saying payment approved.

Thanks mate. Guess you must have been given preferential treatment for sweet talking the ladies that handle the promo

Did you watch the Final in 3D? I watched a bit of a match on Sky's 3D channel (free to customers who subscribe to Sports & Movies) but didn't think much of it to be honest. Some of the movies and wildlife stuff is pretty good though.

The best use I've seen of 3D so far was watching the latest Transformers 3D Blu Ray via my PS3. Really quite impressive effects but the film itself isn't exactly a stunner.

The only companies I'm really aware of that make passive monitors are Zalman & LG. OCUK sell this one but no idea what it's like: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-097-LG

 

[Martini1991]

I definitely wish I'd gone passive 3D with an EDID override for the simple ability to use my GTX680.
Only problem with that is that the LG monitor 2D wise pales in comparison to the Sammy and lacks 120HZ.

 

[tommybhoy]

I definitely wish I'd gone passive 3D with an EDID override for the simple ability to use my GTX680.
Only problem with that is that the LG monitor 2D wise pales in comparison to the Sammy and lacks 120HZ.

That was my reasoning behind the Sammy too, if only that LG done 120Hz I would have lived with the 2D, both got glossy screens though.

Noticed any real difference between the 7970/680 in general gaming(not 3D) or is it 6 and half a dozen?

Did you try the Nvidia 3D hack for the sammy?

 

[Martini1991]

That was my reasoning behind the Sammy too, if only that LG done 120Hz I would have lived with the 2D, both got glossy screens though.

Noticed any real difference between the 7970/680 in general gaming(not 3D) or is it 6 and half a dozen?

Did you try the Nvidia 3D hack for the sammy?

I tried the Nvidia hack and it didn't work well at all, it's really unstable.
The EDID override on the passive would have been much more stable, as it wouldn't require any stupid emulation.

The custom Asus stuff on the 7970 is much better than my reference GTX680, feels like a real high end card.

I don't notice any real world difference, but I always have frame rate programs open, the GTX680 at 1260MHZ (Stock voltage) runs rings around my 1075MHZ 7970.

I've got a revised DCII 7970 I believe, it hasn't got any voltage control with afterburner, and GPU tweak allows me to go from 1112MV to 1123MV, so it's pointless.

Because my stock voltage is so low, my stock overclocking is hobbled, hence 1075MHZ.

If I could take my card to 1200MHZ, I'd feel less "meh" about it.

Can I see screenshots of your tridef display settings please?
Cheers.

 

[Merlin5]

Yeah, I'd noticed that LG D2342P 23" Passive 3D Widescreen LCD Monitor. If it was 120Hz AND if people had said the passive 3D was very good, then there's no question I would have tried to RMA this Samsung and get that one instead. I'm convinced now that passive would make the experience enjoyable and not a painful one. I'm a bit gutted tbh that I won't want to use the 3D on this monitor (which is very good quality imo) purely because I dislike the glasses and method of technology to see the 3D. Surely there has to be a passive/120Hz monitor out there somewhere that has similar quality to this monitor?

 

[Merlin5]

Did you watch the Final in 3D?

Nah, didn't watch it in 3D.

Guess you must have been given preferential treatment for sweet talking the ladies that handle the promo

I'm as smooth as butter

 

[Martini1991]

How'd you get Steam games to work with Tridef?
I'm struggling

 

[melmac]

Yeah, I'd noticed that LG D2342P 23" Passive 3D Widescreen LCD Monitor. If it was 120Hz AND if people had said the passive 3D was very good, then there's no question I would have tried to RMA this Samsung and get that one instead. I'm convinced now that passive would make the experience enjoyable and not a painful one. I'm a bit gutted tbh that I won't want to use the 3D on this monitor (which is very good quality imo) purely because I dislike the glasses and method of technology to see the 3D. Surely there has to be a passive/120Hz monitor out there somewhere that has similar quality to this monitor?

Well for starters I think Active is better purely from a resolution point of view. But, I think the main thing is that moving to active is hard at first because your eyes aren't used to it. After a while your eyes wil adjust and you shouldn't be getting any headaches or anything.

But, there is a also a trick out there to solve crosstalk and flickering issues. You cover most of the sensor on the glasses with black electrical tape. It cuts down on sync issues and flicker so should reduce eye pain as well. I would give it a try if I was you.

I think with this monitor and if you have an AMD card you are best to stick with TRidef rather than go for nvidia 3d vision. You should be able to get frame sequential working which is much better than side by side.

 

[melmac]

How'd you get Steam games to work with Tridef?
I'm struggling

What games are you trying to start? It's really hard to start games that don't have their own exe. But games that are in your /steam/steamapps/common folder should be easy to setup, just point to the exe and select a profile.

 

[Martini1991]

Rome Total War.
It has its own .exe but I can't launch the .exe as I get a "can't find steam error"
Needs to be launched through Steam.
Nvidia vision was sooooo much easier to use when I was using anagylph, passive would have been exactly the same for ease too.

For 3D Mode I just use direct3dstereo120HZ, I assume that's correct?

 

[tommybhoy]

Thanks for the info Martini, the 680's better out the box then(as I thought).

Pity about the voltage on the 7970, is that it or will something else unlock the voltage?

How'd you get Steam games to work with Tridef?
I'm struggling

Open up the Syncmaster3D Game Launcher and either manually add the games, or drag the exe's into the box with the games in it.

Look for the profile in the list, if no profile in the list select 'generic profile'.

Just tried it and getting more games to work rather than 'AMD' being selected in the manufacturer.

 

[Martini1991]

I can't run Rome Total War, that's a damn shame, it looks amazing in 3D.
Has a "Can't find Steam" error.
Only Steam game I tried.

For the voltage on the 7970 DCII I guess my only hope is GPU Tweak 3.0 when it gets released.
It's the biggest "In your face ever".
The card is touted for OC'ing, the graphics card has the beastliest cooler I've ever seen, hyped up like hell, and this revision is just lame for OC'ing

 

[Merlin5]

Would it benefit me to change to '(standard display types)', 'Direct 3D Stereo (120Hz)' like yours?

My control panel by default is set to

Manufacturer: (automatic detection)
Model: AMD HD3D or Side By Side
Version 6
ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
Current: 1920 x 1080 at 120.0Hz
Preferred: Any resolution