Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [5th - 8th May 2012]
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(My bale stat is just EPL btw)
Bale has played 2,906 minutes and has 9 goals & 10 assists. The Nani stats are on the previous page from DM
Lots of niggling injuries mean short 10-15 min appearances, hence why it's quite up at 28.
Nani has 8 goals and 10 assists and plays for a better team
Fletcher isn't "world class" but he's a far better player than the above suggests. That's a very unfair comment, which is simply not backed up by his disciplinary record.
Having him would have prevented us from starting with 10 men on multiple occasions (giggs) - it would have made a difference.
Anderson on his day is in fact very good. Sure, it's not very often. But at his worst he would have been no worst than Giggs/Jones and he inevitably would have had some good days. So again, I think he was a big loss.
Your comment on Fletcher is nothing but speculation. If his doctors are telling him he can come back (like other sportsmen) who are you to say any different?
And by all accounts it was actually Scholes who asked to come back. Not the reverse. He struggles against the very best but outside of those 3 or 4 teams in the league he has been excellent. Cleverly is unproven and probably over-hyped. But I have no doubt he would have been better than Giggs/Jones.
Ferdinand and Evans have generally been good correct. But were talking about one of the top 2 defenders in the league here. Of course it cost us.
Injury's are part of the game of course (although I think the number we have had is unusual). I only mention these factors to counter the constant talk of what would have happened if Tevez had been there. Because there will always be such questions.
So yes, no real excuses (
), just counters to any Tevez argument. Ultimately the squad needs improving for next season or the result will be the same.6 game difference, 1000mins? I'm talking about the Premier League.
I was merely conversing with Tom regarding players, funnily enough the whole Footballs section is comparisons, stats and god knows what else that equates to a 'stupid argument'.
But the fact is 6 games does not equal 1000 minutes
I'm done. Adiós.
Playing for 10 minutes gets you an appearance, hence why he is up to 28 but has played considerably less minutes than Bale as he doesn't done full 90s as much as Bale.
If you do their minutes as full 90s then Nani is on 23 and Bale on 32.
But still, pointless & Nani is better than Bale anyway so that settles that
If you do their minutes as full 90s then Nani is on 23 and Bale on 32.
But still, pointless & Nani is better than Bale anyway so that settles that
But still, pointless & Nani is better than Bale anyway so that settles that
Thats questionable
At his best, Nani is excellent without a doubt, the problem is he isnt as reliable on his best side as AV, and on Bale's favoured side Nani is decent but not brilliant (no fault of Nani's particularly, as its his less favoured side)
Nani is too up and down on either side imo, although his average is probably better on the left (and the team on average is better when he is there too, because AV is on the right)
I dont know how anyone can argue that injuries to Vidic, Cleverley & AV have probably cost Utd the title (and getting De Gea EPL fit), even without considering that Utd have practically scored the same amount of goals as City over 37 games (-2 only), and goal difference is more than accounted for over the two Derby games (-12 in Derby's vs -8 on the table)
The only (hopefully) saving grace is that SAF should get a decent amount of cash to invest over the summer , I wouldnt have been so sure if Utd had won the title by the clear margin they had a month ago or so
Saying all that, Im surprised it has actually (in all likelihood) come down to GD, I never thought it would be that close
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Young has a better goals and assists per minute ratio than Bale, Nani and Valencia AND he's had the most injury hit season and he's the only player out of the four at a new club, playing with new players, settling into a new life, with both injuries upsetting his season and more off the field trouble(breaking up with long term finance who he has a kid with?).
With Nani, he's actually played a lot more than most people think this year, he's just not been memerable.
He scored against City in the Community who gives a damn, he then got a goal against Arsenal(who didn't), a goal and assist against Chelsea still in September, and from mid september till the Everton game he didn't score or assist against the top half of the table(ok, I can't remember if Fulham were top half at the time but, away from home Fulham barely count as a premier league team ).
People don't remember Nani's contribution as he's had relatively few games where he's contributed, 2 goals and an assist, or the other way around against Wolves, Fulham, 2 assists against Bolton, one against Villa.
He's simply not performed against top teams this year at all.
Valencia has 11 of his 13 assists against, Villa, Wigan, Wolves, Blackburn, QPR and Fulham. 3 of his 4 goals were Blackburn, Wigan, Wolves. To suggest he's a bit of a flat track bully isn't unfair.
he was woeful against Barca, he was very poor yesterday, he was poor against City, Everton, the tougher recent games against Wigan.
Bale sucks, he thinks he's Messi, in reality he's closer to Kilbane with real pace He's selfish, shoots loads, scores little, wastes a huge majority of his crosses and doesn't know where the left wing is anymore, inconsistent and meh. THe biggest reason Spurs push for 3rd faltered and let Arsenal gain 13 points back on them, was Bale getting big headed and thinking he could carry the team himself.
Let's look at who Bale got his contributions against, West Brom twice, Bolton three times, Stevenage, Norwich, Wolves, Stoke, QPR.... (sounding familiar), Villa, Wigan, Hearts..... uh oh. Of his 10 assists, ONE was to Chelsea, another West brom(if the count as top half) all the rest to bottom half teams(and most of those against the bottom 5. Goals, 1 against City, one against Chelsea, he was gash in both games, the team lost both games, the rest of his goals, all bottom half, mainly bottom 5.
As for other posts, claiming Cleverley cost you the title is just daft, he has promise, you haven't played him for a full season before nor since his first half dozen games, has he looked anywhere near as good(when the team has been playing worse football).
Vidic, again few if any of your problems this year have been at CB, Evra would STILL have played alongside Vidic and he has been by far the most culpable person in defence.
Arsenal could have played Kompany and Vidic, and it would still be Song's lack of tracking back that cost us soo many games because HE is the one responsible.
If Evan's had been responsible for most of the goals conceded, you'd have a point, however most of the teams problems have occured upfront with first choice team out on the pitch, or at left back with first choice player. CB's can't do anything when another defender leaves them out to dry, which Evra has done for two years.
injurys to AV, is madness, as above, he's been poor, the games he does well in(less good teams) he was available, he played in almost all the games you've dropped points in since xmas.......
Fletcher, describing a guy who has barely played, who stopped playing till his health problems clear up(which they may never) as semi retired is inaccurate?
Scholes FULLY retired this season... and has played more games than him.......
Anyway, Fletcher simply isn't that good, he's a midfield spoiler, that's why you play Park, Fletcher had one really successful season doing that, it wasn't last year, or the year before, and certainly not this year.
With Nani, he's actually played a lot more than most people think this year, he's just not been memerable.
He scored against City in the Community who gives a damn, he then got a goal against Arsenal(who didn't), a goal and assist against Chelsea still in September, and from mid september till the Everton game he didn't score or assist against the top half of the table(ok, I can't remember if Fulham were top half at the time but, away from home Fulham barely count as a premier league team
).People don't remember Nani's contribution as he's had relatively few games where he's contributed, 2 goals and an assist, or the other way around against Wolves, Fulham, 2 assists against Bolton, one against Villa.
He's simply not performed against top teams this year at all.
Valencia has 11 of his 13 assists against, Villa, Wigan, Wolves, Blackburn, QPR and Fulham. 3 of his 4 goals were Blackburn, Wigan, Wolves. To suggest he's a bit of a flat track bully isn't unfair.
he was woeful against Barca, he was very poor yesterday, he was poor against City, Everton, the tougher recent games against Wigan.
Bale sucks, he thinks he's Messi, in reality he's closer to Kilbane with real pace
He's selfish, shoots loads, scores little, wastes a huge majority of his crosses and doesn't know where the left wing is anymore, inconsistent and meh. THe biggest reason Spurs push for 3rd faltered and let Arsenal gain 13 points back on them, was Bale getting big headed and thinking he could carry the team himself.Let's look at who Bale got his contributions against, West Brom twice, Bolton three times, Stevenage, Norwich, Wolves, Stoke, QPR.... (sounding familiar), Villa, Wigan, Hearts..... uh oh. Of his 10 assists, ONE was to Chelsea, another West brom(if the count as top half) all the rest to bottom half teams(and most of those against the bottom 5. Goals, 1 against City, one against Chelsea, he was gash in both games, the team lost both games, the rest of his goals, all bottom half, mainly bottom 5.
As for other posts, claiming Cleverley cost you the title is just daft, he has promise, you haven't played him for a full season before nor since his first half dozen games, has he looked anywhere near as good(when the team has been playing worse football).
Vidic, again few if any of your problems this year have been at CB, Evra would STILL have played alongside Vidic and he has been by far the most culpable person in defence.
Arsenal could have played Kompany and Vidic, and it would still be Song's lack of tracking back that cost us soo many games because HE is the one responsible.
If Evan's had been responsible for most of the goals conceded, you'd have a point, however most of the teams problems have occured upfront with first choice team out on the pitch, or at left back with first choice player. CB's can't do anything when another defender leaves them out to dry, which Evra has done for two years.
injurys to AV, is madness, as above, he's been poor, the games he does well in(less good teams) he was available, he played in almost all the games you've dropped points in since xmas.......
Fletcher, describing a guy who has barely played, who stopped playing till his health problems clear up(which they may never) as semi retired is inaccurate?
Scholes FULLY retired this season... and has played more games than him.......
Anyway, Fletcher simply isn't that good, he's a midfield spoiler, that's why you play Park, Fletcher had one really successful season doing that, it wasn't last year, or the year before, and certainly not this year.
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Blackburn v wigan tonight, normally I would have said this is going to be a boring match and whats it doing on a monday night but Blackburn have to win to stand any chance of survival and if Wigan win then that secures yet another season of PL football.
Could actually be an interesting game.
Could actually be an interesting game.
Understatement!
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You don't think VdV, Parker, Modric, Bale, Walker wouldn't slot straight into the Man U team?Take formations out of the equation, especially when VdV is concerned.
exactly. look at spurs team. its better then united's nevermind arsenal.
who do united have? rooney and vidic? lol the rest are not world class. Says it all when a 50 year old giggs and Scholes are still united's bets midfielders.
Sorry but spurs side is better then united's. and thats coming from a arsenal fan. this is why spurs are a joke not fighting for the title
There's a kit thread!
Funny at the end of the video though, as if Wenger drives a DS3.
Could you list the Spurs players you think are "world class" then?
Jesus, does DM miss his school days or something? He loves writing those essays doesn't he? Every. Single. Post.
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modric and sandro are better than anything through united centre, bale is a better winger than any of united wingers and i'd take lennon over nani and anderson. parker is a class act.
people bang on about bale's assists but if our forwards could actually get on to the end of every decent cross he put in, they'd be a lot better.
he has got a bit too big for his boots at times this season, straying all over the pitch and shooting at every given opportunity but who can really blame him?
people bang on about bale's assists but if our forwards could actually get on to the end of every decent cross he put in, they'd be a lot better.
he has got a bit too big for his boots at times this season, straying all over the pitch and shooting at every given opportunity but who can really blame him?