Says he that said Lennon was better than Nani, dont think you should be lecturing anyone on their opinions tbh
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Says he that said Lennon was better than Nani, dont think you should be lecturing anyone on their opinions tbh
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Why Crouch? He isn't brilliant in the air, he doesn't hold the ball up particularly well, he doesn't work hard and isn't very good with the ball on the ground. Surely Holt has shown this season that he is fantastic at both converting crosses and winning long balls and holding the ball up.
It is mesmerizingly perfect.
Holt has scored 8 goals against the top 8 this season, pretty, pretty good
Crouch is very good with the ball on the ground, and actually has a brain. He plays people in, and his movement is good. Holt is an old fashioned centre forward, and not much more. Plus Crouch is proven with England, which is exactly the same argument people are using for Defoe.
Says he that said Lennon was better than Nani, dont think you should be lecturing anyone on their opinions tbh
better for spurs, that's the point, just like defoe is better for england than sturridge or welbeck.
Exactly. I dont see players like Holt being the future for England (again not taking away how well he's done this season)
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i wonder how many kids on the pitch look like john terry in chelseas last home game?
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You do know his link up play with Rooney is awful, they PLAY together, they have no partnership, Welbeck has 9 goals, in 23 starts and 80 shots, Defoe has 10 goals in 11 starts and 64 shots. He's more prolific, more accurate, scores more often, is faster, more inteligent, less panicky(Welbeck sticks his head in the ground then loses the ball, just what you want in a striker if you make it to a super high pressure finals).
It's nuts, if he wasn't a UTD player people would quite rightly rate him somewhere alongside the likes of N'gog, and if he's lucky bottom 6 type premiership clubs will be where he ends up in a few years.
If Holt was at a top 6 club and Carroll a bottom 6 club, with similar form(one bang on form for a few years, one who has put in a handful of good games this year), there wouldn't be a single mention of Carroll for England.
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i wonder how many kids on the pitch look like john terry in chelseas last home game?
Does that not rule out Defoe as well?
And before anyone says that it rules out Crouch, I'm happy to agree with that too
i wonder how many kids on the pitch look like john terry in chelseas last home game?
Lennon is better for Spurs than Nani? Not hard considering the latter doesn't play for Spurs, so what's the point?
The only reason Defoe is possible better for England than Welbeck or Sturridge is because he's played for England but seeing as he's been on the scene for around 10 years longer that's hardly a shock. Defoe's been tried and nothing great has ever come from it, time to give some new players a try because one things for sure they wont do any worse than Defoe.
Does that not rule out Defoe as well?
And before anyone says that it rules out Crouch, I'm happy to agree with that too
Absolutely, but I'm not one of the people saying Defoe should be taken. Holt, Defoe, Crouch none of them are the future for England so none of them should go
On a separate note just seen Essien's tackle, most clear cut Red card you'll see
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He's so much more than just an old fashioned centre forward, you only realise it when you see him live. He works very hard for 90 minutes putting in tackles and putting defenders under pressure, he challenges the ball in the air and is fantastic at holding the ball up and feeding others. Holt has more of a footballing brain than Crouch has, he doesn't just stand in the box and wait for the ball, he goes out and helps the move develop then times his runs fantastically to arrive in the box at the right time.
Sadly there is no point arguing Holt's case, most people on here have only ever seen him on T.V which doesn't even show half his game plus he is in his 30's and come from the roots of Football, whereas English football fans prefer young players who start their career at the top and never have to work hard..
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Do you watch football, at all? Welbeck doesn't offer any of that, he's poor, he has poor feet, plays very poorly as the front man and his link up play with midfield is ****.
Crouch is also none of the things you said, including not proven for England, he's proven he can score against such teams as Jamaica and, Mongolia, and a whole host of other teams that both won't be at the Euro's and won't have any bearing on latter stages of the competition.
It's like saying Franny Jeffers scored 3 hatricks for Arsenal, against Barnet, Aldershot and Torquay, therefore he's proven for Arsenal..........
Crouch is poo, his movement is poor, he's not inteligent with the ball, he's slow, he's incredibly weak and he'll more likely get called for all his climbing in the Euro's than for Stoke in the prem league.
As for your assessement of Holt, this is another player you haven't seen play this year, he is not an old fashioned centre forward, HE is the player with fantastic movement, a footballing brain and good with his feet. He's just better in the air, stronger and a more effective battering ram AS WELL.
Fair point, I have only seen him on TV.
Lennon is better for Spurs than Nani, not hard considering the latter doesn't play for Spurs so what's the point?
The only reason Defoe is possible better for England than Welbeck or Sturridge is because he's played for England but seeing as he's been on the scene for around 10 years longer that's hardly a shock. Defoe's been tried and nothing great has ever come from it, time to give some new players a try because one things for sure they wont do any worse than Defoe.
he hasn't been tried. he's never been given the proper opportunities but when they have come, he has delivered.
but if we make it to the stage of rooney being eligible, let's look forward to another show of him chasing lost causes and running deep shall we?
or let's have sturridge, carroll and welbeck starting? i can only imagine the utter car crash that would turn into.
as a side point, what greatness has ever come for england with rooney up front?