President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage

The Halk said:
From experience I've yet to hear a single reason why banning gay marriage is desirable. This thread adds to that experience. Anything brought up in this thread is laughable.
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Doesn't that just mean you just disagree with the points raised (although more eloquently raised in that other thread tbh).

I'm somewhat on the fence on this one as I agree with both sides, my reservation is on how this will effect society. I'm not sure why you find common ground so hard to find?

Given that any changes in society are automatically accepted as the norm (good or bad) then I think any future reflection on this topic is only going to approve the status quo. Just as the sexualisation of society would have been seen as bad twenty years ago, it's now seen as normal and accepted.

Scotty123 said:
The jist of it all really is, how does it affect you if you're not gay? It doesn't. .
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Child marriage doesn't affect me either, I don't think allowing it is a good idea though.

Marriage is a component of society, its promoted values affect all of us as we probably all had married parents (however briefly)
 
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Scotty123 said:
My personal view is people don't have to like gays or agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on whatever subject they want. "I don't agree with gays, I don't agree with apples" etc. As long as you aren't going out beating gays up, or punching apples :p.

I however fail to see the issue with gay marriage? Don't agree with gays or gay marriage? Well erm, don't get married to a same sex partner then :confused: Don't like gays? Keep yourself away from them then. You can dislike it but at the end of the day, you can't tell others how to live their lives.

It doesn't 'devalue' marriage in any way. There's plenty of straight people who trash marriage.

Saying all this however, relating back to my point about not telling others how to live or being forced to accept something, I think if churches do not wish to perform gay marriages, that is fine. I respect their beliefs and choices.

The choice of a 'civil partnership' should be available to straight couples as well. I'd personally prefer a civil partnership. To me, marriage is outdated and has religious connotations but again I respect what it means to different people.

The jist of it all really is, how does it affect you if you're not gay? It doesn't. You can disagree with it but let other people do as they please, as long as they aren't forcing it upon you. I highly doubt straight people will be forced in to a gay marriage :D.
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Good post :)

'Straight' people can have a civil partnership can't they?

Forced into gay marriage lol.
 
bitslice said:
Doesn't that just mean you just disagree with the points raised (although more eloquently raised in that other thread tbh).

I'm somewhat on the fence on this one as I agree with both sides, my reservation is on how this will effect society. I'm not sure why you find common ground so hard to find?

Given that any changes in society are automatically accepted as the norm (good or bad) then I think any future reflection on this topic is only going to approve the status quo. Just as the sexualisation of society would have been seen as bad twenty years ago, it's now seen as normal and accepted.


Child marriage doesn't affect me either, I don't think allowing it is a good idea though.

Marriage is a component of society, its promoted values affect all of us as we probably all had married parents (however briefly)
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I was actually going to write in one of my posts that I kinda sit "on the fence" but took it out, in case it started something off. I have hedonistic parts of my life and conservatives ones. My views can sometimes change depending on the mood I'm in.

I just don't think bhavv loves me anymore :(
 
Ugh. Gays.

I don't support it, I'm not technically against marriage for them. I'm just against Gays in general but I don't care what people do behind their doors.

Marriage is a joke these days anyway.
 
Scotty123 said:
Saying all this however, relating back to my point about not telling others how to live or being forced to accept something, I think if churches do not wish to perform gay marriages, that is fine. I respect their beliefs and choices. :D.
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I don't think even the most militant of gay activists is calling for the church to be forced to carry out gay marriages. The argument is whether they can use the word in a legal sense (in the same way a straight couple who use a registry office are called 'married') and that the churches who do want to carry out gay marriages (and there are a few) can do so.

I think a lot of people confuse marriage as something that is owned or invented by the church, it's not. Marriage is an institution granted by government, the church is only licensed by said government to carry out the ceremony.
 
bitslice said:
Doesn't that just mean you just disagree with the points raised (although more eloquently raised in that other thread tbh).

I'm somewhat on the fence on this one as I agree with both sides, my reservation is on how this will effect society. I'm not sure why you find common ground so hard to find?
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Well, I don't see it as two sides really.

There's people who are against gay marriage, and there's people like me who are not against gay marriage. I'm not for it, I'm not for marriage in general - nor against it. I don't give a stuff who gets married, I have no opinion.

As far as a debate goes, there's normally points on both sides of the debate. Even when I disagree with a position I can usually understand the reasons behind it.

When it comes to making up rules on who other people can marry, other than protecting children etc then I can't think of any reason at all why I should have an opinion on it.
 
Tefal said:
however marriage is a legal contract, children can't enter in to legal contracts so it can't be allowed.
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It used to be legal, times change, values change.

RomanNose said:
I don't think it actually makes a difference to a family if your parents are married or not.
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Perceived security of family is a positive thing I think. Depends on whether socety valued marriage at the time or not. Maybe now it's not worth a stuff.
 
estebanrey said:
I don't think even the most militant of gay activists is calling for the church to be forced to carry out gay marriages. The argument is whether they can use the word in a legal sense (in the same way a straight couple who use a registry office are called 'married') and that the churches who do want to carry out gay marriages (and there are a few) can do so.

I think a lot of people confuse marriage as something that is owned or invented by the church, it's not. Marriage is an institution granted by government, the church is only licensed by said government to carry out the ceremony.
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This topic has been done to death on here. Nothing new from anyone.
 
bitslice said:
Child marriage doesn't affect me either, I don't think allowing it is a good idea though.
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This reminds me of someone I was speaking to the other day that said "If two men can marry, then what next? A man marrying his cat?"

The response is the same as to what you said, it's about two people who can give consent which is why marrying your cat, plant pot or washing machine doesn't work.

Children can talk, but as a society we generally accept until 18 children can't make legally bound choices which is why they can't have sex with adults or marry.

A better argument would be "if we allow gay marriage, should we allow incestuous marriage?"
 
bitslice said:
It used to be legal, times change, values change.


Perceived security of family is a positive thing I think. Depends on whether socety valued marriage at the time or not. Maybe now it's not worth a stuff.
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I think that there it's really a false sense of security, it doesn't really exist and just makes things much messier.
Frankly I don't care if I am married if I have children, I think it is pretty overrated.
 
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