President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage

Scougar · 9 May 2012 at 23:33

Von Smallhausen said:
I believe it to be hypocritical and another reason as to why I can't fathom Americans out.

Normally with this sort of thing they time it quite well to coincide with something else bad going on... any idea what specifically that you might thing it's a smokescreen for?

growse · 9 May 2012 at 23:35

Tyron said:
All the states who voted no in America, everyone who follows the 3 major religions, the countries in the ME/Asia who have it banned.

What's your evidence the majority are in favour of it?

Tyron said:
I already have, there are more people who follow the 3 prominant religions than there are homosexuals, I don't need anymore evidence.

Tyron said:
Your reading comprehension skills are more comical, as that's not what I aserted.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Tyron · 9 May 2012 at 23:39

Scougar said:
Normally with this sort of thing they time it quite well to coincide with something else bad going on... any idea what specifically that you might thing it's a smokescreen for?

It could be this; http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/07/woman-in-black-burka-kicked-out-of-obama-campaign-event/

or this; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...vote-Maine-gives-legislation-thumbs-down.html

or this; http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/may/8/house-vote-trayvon-amendment/

It's endless.

bhavv · 9 May 2012 at 23:41

RDM said:
For those that oppose gay marriage have a look at the groups that support your views. I normally feel that if my views coincide with something the BNP feel strongly about it is probably time to reconsider those views.

Might not just be related to the BNP, but also this party:

http://www.scottishchristianparty.org.uk/

bhavv · 9 May 2012 at 23:47

bitslice said:
I don't see what gay marriage will do in terms of added value, other than appease the equal rights of one group in defiance of another group.

Polygamy rights are ignored, or like you point out, cousins can't marry.
Equally allowing marriage for these groups adds nothing to the value of marriage as an institution so why bother?

Personally I see marriage failing at the same point Christianity falls out of sight, gays will then have the right to marry at the same time nobody bothers getting married anymore because it's meaningless. Whether this contributes to that situation or not I don't know, but I doubt it helps it.

Your opinion devalues marriage more that same sex marriage does. Take your kind opinion and apply it to straight marriage:

'I dont see what normal straight marriage does in terms of added values, why do a man and a woman who love each other need to get married? Surely they can just live together and thats all they need, theres no need to have any kind of marriage'. So what exactly is the point in marriage then? Your argument against gay marriage devalues every form of marriage.

If you think marriage will ever become meaningless due to two same sex people in a relationship wanting to marry each other, then clearly you've never been in love or experienced a healthy relationship with anyone. Your own insecurities are to blame for your percieved devaluation of marriage, it seems to me that two same sex people who love each other and want to get married understand the value and meaning of marriage far more significantly than you do.

Tyron · 9 May 2012 at 23:48

growse said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

In none of those quotes did I mention they were all heterosexual.

Scougar · 9 May 2012 at 23:48

bhavv> So you are against real parenting? Not sure about your link. Can you clarify what you mean please?

bhavv · 9 May 2012 at 23:50

Scougar said:
bhavv> So you are against real parenting? Not sure about your link. Can you clarify what you mean please?

Define real parenting first.

My link was a link to a Scottish political party that opposes same sex marriage. Do you associate yourself with them?

Scougar · 9 May 2012 at 23:51

bhavv said:
Define real parenting first.

My link was a link to a Scottish political party that opposes same sex marriage. Do you associate yourself with them?

Are you looking for me to aligned with them, it seems like you are infering that??

Why is it really a suprise that a party purporting to be Christian is against same sex marriage? I would take that as read. BTW.. did you know that the Pentecostal church used to have gay ministers?

Real parenting? Where family values are taught and used, and care is taken of the child and is natured well. I was refering to the top part of the page bud.. I was confused what you were trying to say with JUST a link.

bhavv · 9 May 2012 at 23:54

Scougar said:
Are you looking for me to aligned with them, it seems like you are infering that??

Why is it really a suprise that a party purporting to be Christian is against same sex marriage though is it.

Lots of Christians and Christian groups in the UK support homosexuality and Gay marriage, but I wouldnt discuss this with me, you would be better off discussing it with Castiel who will tell you that Christianity does not oppose homosexuality or gay marriage in any way at all.

Scougar said:
Real parenting? Where family values are taught and used, and care is taken of the child and is natured well. I was refering to the top part of the page bud.. I was confused what you were trying to say with JUST a link.

So were you implying that same sex parents are incapable of providing this? A lot of straight parents are terrible at parenting and their kids are hardly raised or nurtured well with good values.

Scougar · 9 May 2012 at 23:56

I did.. I edited my post.. you were obviously typing after I had posted.

Also.. real parenting.. you are distracting from the topic.

bhavv · 9 May 2012 at 23:58

How am I distracting from the topic? You're the one that bought up 'real parenting' and imply that same sex parents cannot be 'real parents'?

Please expand on how same sex couples cannot be 'real parents', other than biological of course /derp.

Scougar · 9 May 2012 at 23:59

Stop looking for issues FFS. I was referring to you pointing out a page where the first topic was about real parenting in it.. I was wondering what you were going on about. I not saying anything about real parenting, I was asking you a question.

And no.. I did not at any point imply anything about same sex partners and parenting. seriously, what the hell?

Vulcan · 10 May 2012 at 00:02

bhavv said:
Lots of Christians and Christian groups in the UK support homosexuality and Gay marriage, but I wouldnt discuss this with me, you would be better off discussing it with Castiel who will tell you that Christianity does not oppose homosexuality or gay marriage in any way at all.

Christianity does oppose homosexually, see Leviticus 20:13.

bhavv · 10 May 2012 at 00:04

Scougar said:
Stop looking for issues FFS. I was referring to you pointing out a page where the first topic was about real parenting in it.

Well I confused you and you confused me ... purple? :eek:

I posted a link to a different political party to the BNP that are also opposed to gay marriage. In the context of the quote I was replying to, I meant that a person who is opposed to gay marriage doesnt need to have any political ties with the BNP, they may simply be religious and share their beliefs with the same views as that party.

Can I ask if you're religious? If so which religion? If not then why exactly do you oppose same sex marriage?

Longbow said:
Christianity does oppose homosexually, see Leviticus 20:13.

I've read all that, but our resident biblical scholar told me that all of that stuff is mistranslated.

Scougar · 10 May 2012 at 00:12

bhavv said:
Well I confused you and you confused me ... purple?

lol

purple. phew! Crisis averted!

bhavv said:
I posted a link to a different political party to the BNP that are also opposed to gay marriage. In the context of the quote I was replying to, I meant that a person who is opposed to gay marriage doesnt need to have any political ties with the BNP, they may simply be religious and share their beliefs with the same views as that party.

Can I ask if you're religious? If so which religion? If not then why exactly do you oppose same sex marriage?

I've read all that, but our resident biblical scholar told me that all of that stuff is mistranslated.

I have a Christian background. I don't go at present, and haven't for a few year's, mainly because I go tired of them focusing on money and phrases rather than the message. I didn't even start going to church until I was 14, and I didn't even want to go.

So now that I've said that, are you going to say my view is invalid because I have some form of religious experience?

If not, then my view of marriage doesn't really come from the Christian believes (although there is a small part of that I admit), it's mainly because I believe a man should be with a woman. Hence.. I married a woman, not a dude :eek:

lol

I will ask my wife about the mistranslation bit if I remember.. she is pretty hot on this sort of thing (bible matters.. she's an ex-missionary (Russia/Ukraine etc). I may have corrupted her.. but then again probably not.. there is a reason she is so incredibly street wise.

EDIT: bhavv> Just to clarify again.. I didn't say I oppose it, I said I didn't think it was right. There is a subtle difference.. I've tried to explain that the best I can

(And I think RDM put across that it might be slightly bigoted which I took on board)

cheets64 · 10 May 2012 at 00:15

Nothing wrong with 2 men/women getting married, but not cool on them bringing up children, I know there are a lot of kids in need of a home but most gay couples use a surrogate which is just wrong, they bring a life into the world and PAY people for it when millions of children need some love and stable life.

Vulcan · 10 May 2012 at 00:21

bhavv said:
I've read all that, but our resident biblical scholar told me that all of that stuff is mistranslated.

Rubbish, it's more like such Christians have rightly decided to not draw all their morals from the Bible and have realised that it's not fair to hate on gays.

The Halk · 10 May 2012 at 00:22

Indeed, christians are very selective about the bible. That's why the papal empire tried to keep it from the masses and only allowed employees to give out the message.

Scougar · 10 May 2012 at 00:28

It isn't just Christians.. ANY religion/organisation will have differing view points. This is why there are so many Denominations in Christianity. Some are hard core to the letter of the bible, some are so loose you wonder why they bother.. and others are in-between. Some would be close to "cult". Some even create their own versions of the bible.

This is rapidly gonna turn into a religion thread if not careful.