So gays should be saddled with fixing the problem of millions of homeless children mostly created by straights?! How about we stop straight people having kids until all the needy kids are rehomed?
President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage
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So gays should be saddled with fixing the problem of millions of homeless children mostly created by straights?! How about we stop straight people having kids until all the needy kids are rehomed?
Gay people cant have, never will, be able to as a couple, so why should they be allowed to use a surrogate? So many children out there that need some love and a family environment, not some gay couple that thinks its cool to have new born baby, like Elton john parading it around the magazines.
Bring up a child is one of the hardest things a man and woman can do, it is so demanding and drains everything from a couple from time, money and sanity.
Why shouldn't they? You're starting from the 'I hate gays' position and assuming everyone else feels the same way.
Maybe you don't understand the role marriage plays in a society?
Historically protection for the woman's position, fidelity for the man, the purposes and values change over time but it's essentially the same social construct that binds society and religion together.
Gay marriage adds nothing to this.
For the historical pendants that seek to separate marriage from religion, well you are just wrong, however tenuous the link may be today doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Not what I said, marriage will decline because Christianity will decline, society will shed it's values in pursuit of nothing and everything becomes just another thing to consume. That gay marriage may or may not contribute to this is incidental, but likely.
You realise that is a pretty offensive thing to say to anyone?
Particularly when you know nothing about their lives.
I don't think anyone is discussing the virtues or intentions of anyone wishing to get married, only the wider implications of changing something which works for the sake of PC correctness.
Please could you talk to anyone else but me, I've seen you in lots of other threads on OcUK and in every single one there is a succession of people who rip your posts to pieces, you seem to post the most ridiculously blinkered points, then fail to comprehend anyone else's explanation and generally take up space which is better spent addressing other people's points.
No offence, but I don't want to get involved in the frustrating futility of correcting your misapprehensions all the time, I'd rather leave the debate
Gay couples make pretty good parents, given that they have bigger hurdles to overcome to get there probably makes them more determined.
I'd agree with you about Elton though, no child needs publicity.
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What about michael jackson hanging his kid off a balcony? Straights dont necessarily make any better parents. Althought MJ is a lose example of straight so how about the Osbournes.
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The less intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be against gay marriage and gay parenting.
And so are your views.
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Why am I not surprised one bit that you are against gay marriage as you are against other racist to live in the UK.
as for the topic.
Arguments for historic...historically speaking the woman become a man's property when they get married. Try that for size now days.
Historically speaking, a woman can't vote.
Historically speaking, women can't join the army.
The law move on with the times, and is made by the people that is on this land. Sooner or later, this will become part of history.
The reason, the MAIN reason that people of same gender cannot get married in the UK is because the law states that it is a union between a Man and Woman. It doesn't say "persons". So this technicality forbids people of the same sex to get married.
The Gender Recognition Act 2002 allows people who is of transgender to get recognise and in a strange way...get married.
Person A born a man - sex change to woman - can legally marry a woman.
So it appears to be 2 lesbians, they can legally get married.
However, if 2 women, born female, they cannot get married. All because of their birth certificate.
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You probably wont want to watch this video, but I'll leave it here anyone as everything within it shows how wrong you are:
Isn't your input into these debates normally some kind of lolreligion cartoon?
I think we've all seen them a few times over by now, but let's just pretend I never said that
So most religious people (and Americans) are thickos, that confirms exactly what I already knew
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As a gay man, please explain to me why you would deny me the right to marry someone I love, what possible impact does my happiness have on your life?
As a gay man, please explain to me why you would deny me the right to marry someone I love, what possible impact does my happiness have on your life?
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Isn't your input into these debates normally some kind of lolreligion cartoon?
I think we've all seen them a few times over by now, but let's just pretend I never said that
I go through phases... sometimes I feel a bit hard on the gullible and needy, so back off for a while
It doesn't? Your views on people aren't intelligent either. Much like your name.
I have no problem you getting a civil partnership.
My question to you is why do you want to get married within an institution which doesn't like gays?
They arent asking for marriage within institutions which dont like gays.
They are asking for civil partnerships to be replaced with civil marriages which are 100% secular ceremonies and the word god and nothing about any religion are spoken during them.
No they are trying to force churches to marry them. This I don't accept.