President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage

[Woden]

Yes it does, you have no right to force them to go against their own values (no matter how wrong you feel them to be). If you want to commit to your partner get a civil partnership and stop treading on the rights of the church.

You misunderstand. The church does not own marriage, right now there are hundreds of straight couples getting married in registry offices with no involvement from the church.

To deny the very same right to gay couples based on merely the fact they are both the same gender is absurd. I have never seen any evidence that churches will be forced to do gay weddings. Even the three links that you posted (and I replied to with you ignoring twice) actually state they won't be. The only people saying they will be is the churches, who are using it to push their draconian homophobic stance.

What makes the church so special that it makes discrimination ok?

 

[Kamwah]

On the upside, these kind of threads do give you very, very clear ideas of who the numpties are when you see them post in other threads.

So that's something, right?

Not really seeing as this is all purely opinion and you can be against gay rights and still be a rocket scientist lol.

 

[krooton]

Not really seeing as this is all purely opinion and you can be against gay rights and still be a rocket scientist lol.

Base intelligence isn't the only qualifier for being considered a numpty.

I keep forgetting to keep my list of racists and homophobes of this forum updated, though the primary culprits make themselves very well known.

 

[Tyron]

Not really seeing as this is all purely opinion and you can be against gay rights and still be a rocket scientist lol.

Exactly, best to avoid any £contribution£ from [FnG]magnolia in this thread.

 

[N17]

Well done.

I don't see what is offensive about gay marriage. It's not offensive. If that's what you want so be it

 

[Robbo]

Exactly, best to avoid any £contribution£ from [FnG]magnolia in this thread.

Really? Why? I found this post to be absolutely spot on:

I was going to stay out of this thread because Tyron's increasingly angry mantoddler rants were proving almost too tempting to resist ripping apart but then you posted ... that ... and made me join in

 

[Tyron]

What does that prove? I bring valid points and this person has to insult me because his homosexual rights are questioned?

Again this proves how dumb a lot of the posters here are because I am not against gay marriage, but carry on.

 

[estebanrey]

Yes it does, you have no right to force them to go against their own values (no matter how wrong you feel them to be). If you want to commit to your partner get a civil partnership and stop treading on the rights of the church.

Who is forcing the Church to accept gay marriage? Why do you keep on peddling this myth that marriage is somehow owned or governed by the church?

Marriage is not a religious institution, never has been and never will. Churches are licensed to carry out ceremonies and that is it. Do you think people who get married in registry offices aren't married or something?

It's like trying to say my local petrol station should have some say in what it says on my drivers license.

 

[manic_man]

Not really seeing as this is all purely opinion and you can be against gay rights and still be a rocket scientist lol.

You'd actually be surprised how thin on the ground people who hold irrational views (i,e. those who think that because somebody is attracted to a certain type of human being means that their other faculties are somehow reduced or because somebody has genes which gives them certain physical traits that they are automatically less likely to be able to become an outstanding human being), are as you enter circles primarily populated with people who have the gumption, intelligence and staying power to work their way through the education system to the point of being a recognised scientist.

Don't believe me? Attend a good scientific conference somewhere (pick your subject) and try and start a debate suggesting that somebody who is gay shouldn't have the same rights as somebody who isn't.

In fact, make that subject computer science and ideally find a conference based around pure logic and algorithmic solving and see how far you get! There's a certain ability to cut through emotion and bigotry that is necessary to cut it as a "boffin".

 

[Scotty123]

Even if you're against gay marriage, do you not respect and tolerate something that will never affect you or is your business . Don't accept it, it's fine you think it's wrong or only between a man and a woman. You're entitled to your views, but don't force them on others or expect others to live to how you see fit.

I am against religion. I think we'd be better with it removed. Would I want it removed? No. Other people's beliefs and the way they live their life is theirs. It doesn't affect me and it's none of my business.

It's about tolerance. Tolerance is a key component to a civilised society.

I am not against gay marriage. I am not for gay marriage. I'm indifferent. I guess I could be indirectly for gay marriage through tolerance.

 

[Tyron]

Who is forcing the Church to accept gay marriage? Why do you keep on peddling this myth that marriage is somehow owned or governed by the church?

Marriage is not a religious institution, never has been and never will. Churches are licensed to carry out ceremonies and that is it. Do you think people who get married in registry offices aren't married or something?

It's like trying to say my local petrol station should have some say in what it says on my drivers license.

If you had read the thread you would know this is not what Im advocating.

 

[Vulcan]

Just one final point from me. Leviticus is from the Old Testament and as such was the law given to the Jews. This was superceded by the new covenant of Jesus Christ.

Christians shouldn't really be using it to make their case. Certainly not when there are better references in the new testament.

So the old testament is all rubbish and not really the word of God, including the 10 commandments, and should not be included in the Bible?

Either you ignore all of it, or none of it.

 

[Woden]

So the old testament is all rubbish and not really the word of God, including the 10 commandments, and should not be included in the Bible?

Either you ignore all of it, or none of it.

I vote ignore all of it.

 

[estebanrey]

If you had read the thread you would know this is not what Im advocating.

I have read the whole thread and you keep making the same stupid assertions. In your last post you were banging on about the Church being "forced" to do something it didn't want to.

How is legalising the term "marriage" for gay couples who wed in a registry office forcing the Church to do anything?

Almost no one is calling for churches to be forced to carry out the ceremonies and it's not what the gay community is asking for either soby arguing against that notion you're doing nothing but setting up a strawman.

P.S Please answer the question in bold

 

[spudbynight]

So the old testament is all rubbish and not really the word of God, including the 10 commandments, and should not be included in the Bible?

Either you ignore all of it, or none of it.

No, the laws of the Old Testament have been superceded. No circumcision for Christians either or prohibition of certain foods. It doesn't mean that the Old Testament is rubbish.

If you want to know more Google will link you to lots of info. I don't think you are really interested though so I won't waste too much of my time.

Just to add that anyone thinking they can criticise Christianity should really do some research and make sure they are informed. Reading the Bible in full would be a good start.

I have read the Koran, the Talmud, the Torah, the Vedas and many other religious books. Ignorance is not a strong position to criticise from.

 

[Robbo]

No, the laws of the Old Testament have been superceded. No circumcision for Christians either or prohibition of certain foods. It doesn't mean that the Old Testament is rubbish.

If you want to know more Google will link you to lots of info. I don't think you are really interested though so I won't waste too much of my time.

That's an interesting signature you have there.

Do you honestly really care about that?

 

[Tyron]

That's an interesting signature you have there.

Do you honestly really care about that?

Grasping at straws now huh?

 

[Robbo]

Grasping at straws now huh?

Your name isn't spudbynight, is it?

Why don't you focus on answering those questions you've been asked that you aren't able to answer so are ignoring instead.

 

[spudbynight]

That's an interesting signature you have there.

Do you honestly really care about that?

I assume your question is rhetorical.

 

[Tyron]

Your name isn't spudbynight, is it?

Why don't you focus on answering those questions you've been asked that you aren't able to answer so are ignoring instead.

Never saw it but I will after this post.

Why don't you stay out of the thread? You have nothing to add and like a beaten liberal you try to attack the poster with irrelevancy.