To not like Israel is to not like Jews

I used to subscribe to the BBC hating Israel propaganda until I heard a really convincing argument in favour of them which was thus...

"Israel has the capability to wipe Palestine off the map and has been able to do it for decades. The fact is they haven't. Now if it were the other way around and the Palestinians had that capability do you think they'd have been so restrained?"

Can't argue with that.
 
Israeli and Jewish are not necessarily synonymous. It is entirely possible to dislike the Israeli Administration and be Jewish......it is entirely possible to even disagree with the creation of Israel as a Jewish State and be Jewish. It is entirely possible to be Israeli and not be Jewish, equally it is entirely possible to be Jewish and not be Israeli.

Whoever said that hating Israel is the same as hating the Jews is talking nonsense.
 
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I see more hatred on a day to day basis towards Jewish people than any other religion, race or sex. I work in Luton and the amount of comments I see daily towards Jews from Muslims/asians dwarfs even the anti muslim threads on here :D

Israel or Jews son't bother me either way but I come into contact with hundreds of Jews every day and they are by far the rudest bunch of people I have ever come into contact with.
 
Israel cleverly plays the anti-semite
race card against anyone who critsises govt policy.
Also Israeli interlectuals who dare to challenge their govt are
ostrasized rather than debated.
 
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estebanrey said:
I used to subscribe to the BBC hating Israel propaganda until I heard a really convincing argument in favour of them which was thus...

"Israel has the capability to wipe Palestine off the map and has been able to do it for decades. The fact is they haven't. Now if it were the other way around and the Palestinians had that capability do you think they'd have been so restrained?"

Can't argue with that.
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With logic like that no wonder that part of the world is in such a state. Just because they haven't killed every single Palestinian and Arab within 500 miles of Israel doesn't make the policies they do follow OK......

Not to mention that actually overtly prosecuting a genocide of the Palestinians would see the fall of the Israeli State quicker than you can say Holocaust Denier.
 
Castiel said:
Not to mention that actually overtly prosecuting a genocide of the Palestinians would see the fall of the Israeli State quicker than you can say Holocaust Denier.
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If the are covertly prosecuting a genocide of the Palestinians then they are pretty rubbish at it...
 
I don't like Israel. The way they treat their neighbours is disgraceful. Someone needs to give them a bloody nose.

I couldn't care less about Jews though, they've never done anything personally to bother me.
 
Castiel said:
With logic like that no wonder that part of the world is in such a state. Just because they haven't killed every single Palestinian and Arab within 500 miles of Israel doesn't make the policies they do follow OK......
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I never claimed or implied it was

Castiel said:
Not to mention that actually overtly prosecuting a genocide of the Palestinians would see the fall of the Israeli State quicker than you can say Holocaust Denier.
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You've missed my point. Do you believe if Hamas had the military capability that Israel have, they wouldn't have used it to obliterate the Israelis?
 
RDM said:
If the are covertly prosecuting a genocide of the Palestinians then they are pretty rubbish at it...
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I didn't say they were.....just that doing so overtly would create such a furore globally that any support for Israel would disintegrate and even the United States would find supporting Israel difficult, which would in turn almost certainly lead to the eventual fall of Israel as a viable State.

If they were doing it covertly, you would assume that the same would also be the case eventually.

As for the current Israeli Administration, they do more harm to Israel than all the Palestinians and Arabs combined.
 
Yes it does not mean you hate both, so in future when you say that you hate Israel you should also mention that you hate jews just to be clear.
 
From my experiences in backpacking, I found that the Israelis I met were some of the most downright rude people I've ever met. It left a bit of an impression to say the least.

However, you can't tar everyone with the same brush. I've befriended a few great people over the years who are Jewish... I never even knew in either case until it suddenly came out in conversation.
 
estebanrey said:
I never claimed or implied it was
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Yes you did, quite succinctly.

"Israel has the capability to wipe Palestine off the map and has been able to do it for decades. The fact is they haven't. Now if it were the other way around and the Palestinians had that capability do you think they'd have been so restrained?"

Can't argue with that.
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estebanrey said:
You've missed my point. Do you believe if Hamas had the military capability that Israel have, they wouldn't have used it to obliterate the Israelis?
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I haven't missed the point at all, if Hamas had the military capability of Israel then they would not need to obliterate the Israeli's. Hamas would simply create their Islamic State of Palestine, whatever is said about Hamas, they are only interested in an Islamic Palestinian State....they are quite happy to let Jews, Christians and any other religion live in that state as long as it under the sovereignty of a Palestinian and not an Israeli state........their aims are not that different from many Zionists...they want a religious State based on their own form of theocracy.....Zionists want Greater Israel, Hamas wants the Islamic State of Palestine.

The politics of the region are not as simple as saying "if Hamas had the military power of Israel they would kill all the Israeli's" you would probably have a similar position to what you have today, only with the roles reversed......in fact given that the largest military powers in the world support the Israeli claim, and culturally both the EU and US have more in common with the Israelis, it is more than likely that even if Hamas had the military power of Israel, it would not do them much good, in fact it would probably be the final signature on their demise......much like we have seen with the Saddam Regime and the continuing sanctions against Iran.
 
spudbynight said:
Not all Israelis are Jewish.
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That's kind of the pre-quest to being an Israeli though.... Otherwise you end up as an exemption Israeli citizen (like an Arab-Israeli), so jewish becomes an ethnic marker instead of a religious one that we see it to be.

Israel to Jewish people is supposed to represent the "nation" not the "state" as we tend to assume it is. So to Jews disliking Israel is disliking Jews because the distinction is not made by most Jews (which is silly).

So to conclude just don't mention Israel and hope someone sensible makes a useful (non-ethnic) solution (as ethnic/nation-states will be the end of civilization)

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Luton has a big Muslim community though.
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Luton also has an airport and a train station making it a very easy to leave too.
 
Ricochet J said:
I used have provided some context: I was arguing with a Middle Eastern chap today about why the statement in the title was wrong. :p
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Did the Middle Eastern chap have any idea at all as to what point you were trying to make?

If so, can you please pass him the keyboard so he can explain to me?
 
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