Tories whose dads are well off.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:02

Is that farm markets or farmers markets, which are well known for charging a premium? I can imagine it is very difficult though. As you say, it's probably only really acceptable if you live alone.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:02

dirtychinchilla said:
Indeed, but a lot of council houses, for example, have plenty of garden space to grow vegetables in.

And a lot have no or little garden at all.......

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:03

But those who do could, therefore, grow vegetables, but probably don't.

Tefal · 15 May 2012 at 18:04

yeah and they all have gardens where the soil is 2 inches deep before it's building rubble.

Setting up a garden to grow veg from scratch is expensive and the costs of doing it every year are probably more than buying veg in a supermarket.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:05

dirtychinchilla said:
Is that farm markets or farmers markets, which are well known for charging a premium? I can imagine it is very difficult though. As you say, it's probably only really acceptable if you live alone.

The charter market in Salisbury doesn't charge a 'premuim' and Fresh meat etc in the Farmers Markets, be they the shops at the farms themselves or the one held in several villages around here are not charging 'premiums' either....quite the opposite....that being the point of cutting out the retailer. :confused:

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:06

That's why I asked, Castiel. I was just interested.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:06

dirtychinchilla said:
But those who do could, therefore, grow vegetables, but probably don't.

If only it were so easy in 'real life'.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:06

dirtychinchilla said:
That's why I asked, Castiel. I was just interested.

You said they were well known for charging a premium.......no they're not. Not in my experience.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:06

Haha well I'm sure it's not easy, but I know it's not that hard either.

RomanNose · 15 May 2012 at 18:07

Castiel said:
I shopped (and still do) at farm markets, bought veg from my neighbours, grew a bit of my own, rarely did I go to the supermarkets.....I live in a market town, so cheap fresh farm produce is common.....however it still is not as cheap as shopping value ranges in Tesco/Aldi etc........

The bottom line is that unless you live with your parents, or in shared multi-occupancy accomodation and have no other commitments, then budgeting on the minimum wage is damned hard.

Yep.
People need to have some compassion for those who live on the edge. I know families that barely get by, I hate being around them with my expensive toys

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Not good and it's not going to change anytime soon.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:08

Castiel said:
You said they were well known for charging a premium.......no they're not. Not in my experience.

Yeah I said farmer's markets though, the kind of place where they charge you £10 a rabbit etc. They very common where I live because farmers know they can charge a huge amount. I was just trying to establish whether you went to one of these sorts of markets or actually decent markets, and the answer is obviously the latter.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:11

dirtychinchilla said:
Yeah I said farmer's markets though, the kind of place where they charge you £10 a rabbit etc. They very common where I live because farmers know they can charge a huge amount. I was just trying to establish whether you went to one of these sorts of markets or actually decent markets, and the answer is obviously the latter.

I got to both, and both are cheaper than buying the equivalent in Tesco/Waitrose/Sainsburys etc......

Also we have a local butcher who is very good......

But it would still be beyond most families living on minimum wage income levels, especially when you consider housing cost alone will reduce your weekly disposable income to less than £100........I suspect most people in this thread spend that on beer and takeaways every weekend tbh....and that doesn't include other things like transport, food, bills, phone, and all the other 'essentials' most of us take for granted.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:20

I agree with you dude, I just think that people who find themselves lacking could do more to generate income, or reduce their outgoings. I know it's not ideal but I guess compromises must be made.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:27

dirtychinchilla said:
I agree with you dude, I just think that people who find themselves lacking could do more to generate income, or reduce their outgoings. I know it's not ideal but I guess compromises must be made.

Being poor doesn't mean you are unhappy......it just means life isn't as easy as it should be relative to the average.

It is one of those insurmountable problems because there is rarely the political or social will to tackle economic and social inequality in any real way......most of what we do is simply temporary and ineffective.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:29

I didn't say that at all??? Yup, and welfare continues to fall under the government's radar of things at home which are worthwhile actually dealing with...which I guess is the point this thread is making.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:31

dirtychinchilla said:
I didn't say that at all??? Yup, and welfare continues to fall under the government's radar of things at home which are worthwhile actually dealing with...which I guess is the point this thread is making.

I didn't say you did....I was simply making the point as many seem to think money = happiness.

There is a difference between Welfare and dealing with economic and social inequality though.

Tefal · 15 May 2012 at 18:37

Castiel said:
You said they were well known for charging a premium.......no they're not. Not in my experience.

they are around here because the people that use them arn;t people looking for a bargain, they're affluent middle class housewives doing whatever Jamie Oliver/nigella/current tv chef has told them to do and go to farmers markets.

dirtychinchilla · 15 May 2012 at 18:38

Castiel said:
I didn't say you did....I was simply making the point as many seem to think money = happiness.

There is a difference between Welfare and dealing with economic and social inequality though.

Fair enough. I don't think people genuinely think that. I do think, though, that people are aware that having certain things can make you happier. But then I suppose you could ask what true happiness is and whether it can really be acquired through possessions etc.

Castiel · 15 May 2012 at 18:39

Tefal said:
they are around here because the people that use them arn;t people looking for a bargain, they're affluent middle class housewives doing whatever Jamie Oliver/nigella/current tv chef has told them to do and go to farmers markets.

Round here they are generally cheaper than the equivalent in the supermarkets.....especially meat and poultry. So are the independent butchers......That doesn't mean that you can't get cheaper cuts in the supermarket, only that the equivalent (like for like) is cheaper at the markets.

Unless it is Bison meat.....that is just expensive wherever you go.

Tefal · 15 May 2012 at 18:40

here butchers are more expensive but far better quality.

the farmers markets vary some times expensive but good quality other times very cheap but it's clearly all the stuff that the supermarkets reject.