Tories whose dads are well off.

here butchers are more expensive but far better quality.

the farmers markets vary some times expensive but good quality other times very cheap but it's clearly all the stuff that the supermarkets reject.

I've noticed recently that things like homemade Sausages and Beefburgers are cheaper in our local butchers than the frozen mass produced stuff in Tesco......

12 birdseye B/Burgers were £4.29 in Tesco, I bought 20 handmade 100% 1/4lb beef burgers in the butcher for £5......12 own brand frozen cumberland sausages were £2.49 in Tesco, I bought 24 Cumberland Sausages for £3.....and chicken breasts were 4 for £5 in Tesco.....I bought 12 lge chicken breasts for £8 in the butcher.....all fresh and far better quality.

I expect it is definitely dependant on your location though......and your relationship with the local producers and small store holders......
 
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I'd made the assumption that an independent butchers would be more expensive. Perhaps I need to go and find some.

It is definitely worth shopping around......I was pretty shocked as well.....the more you buy the more you can dicker down the price as well.....try doing that in the local Tesco.
 
I don't think that raising the minimum wage would actually raise anyone's living standards though....you need to address the disparity between the minimum wage and the living wage and the income inequality to even have a hope of doing that.....simply raising the minimum will simply move the line, not the relative standard.
I agree fully, but I personally would take a pay cut for those earning less than me (which 90% of the population do) if it meant that most of the population had a greater disposable income.

The cost of goods does not suddenly increase if the costs to the company don't go up - only if they pass the cost of the min wage increase directly back onto the customers, in a reasonable society that cost increase would come out of those earning enough to shoulder the burden.

I'm a firm believer in that those with the broadest shoulders should carry the heaviest burden.

I find it really shows the nature of people to think that somebody who works 40 hours a week doesn't deserve anything to show for his/her time - I can almost understand the annoyance at the benefit scroungers (While I disagree with it) as on a basic level they are taking advantage of the tax payer.

But to view fellow workers at the bottom of the pile with such low regard is shamefull. (not that this comment applies to you Castiel, you seem quite reasonable on this)

I didn't say you did....I was simply making the point as many seem to think money = happiness.
While I agree, money does not = happiness - being poor quite certainly can cause the opposite.

I'm not advocating mass material wealth for all, just reducing increasing the standard of living for the bottom 20/30% of the population.

No. I hate people who complain about the quality of life in this country, go to a 3rd world country and tell the people there about how bad life is here in this country :rolleyes:.
Urgh... that argument.

Yes, because people in nation X have lower standards of living we should ignore the problems everywhere else.

What a productive mentality.

/golfclap
 
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I've noticed recently that things like homemade Sausages and Beefburgers are cheaper in our local butchers than the frozen mass produced stuff in Tesco......

12 birdseye B/Burgers were £4.29 in Tesco, I bought 20 handmade 100% 1/4lb beef burgers in the butcher for £5......12 own brand frozen cumberland sausages were £2.49 in Tesco, I bought 24 Cumberland Sausages for £3.....and chicken breasts were 4 for £5 in Tesco.....I bought 12 lge chicken breasts for £8 in the butcher.....all fresh and far better quality.

I expect it is definitely dependant on your location though......and your relationship with the local producers and small store holders......

adding the word "home-made" doesn't make it better.

they could be "home made" but only 45% pork.

the local butcher here does however have lots of awards for his sausages probbaly why they are more expensive.


it's not comparing like for like really.
 
Haha well I'm sure it's not easy, but I know it's not that hard either.

Growing veg is easy, I grow veg myself. Things like courgettes, mange tout, peas, carrots, spinach, radishes, rocket, chard and turnips are a doddle and not expensive at all.
 
Yep.
People need to have some compassion for those who live on the edge. I know families that barely get by, I hate being around them with my expensive toys :(.
Not good and it's not going to change anytime soon.

I agree to some extent with that but honestly, in the country that we live in and the opportunities people are given, we should all be able to live within our means and have a good lifestyle.

I don't feel the slightest bit of sorrow for the family with 3 children who can barely get by. If you have not planned financially for the children you have then why should I feel sorry for you?

I live within my means, don't have sky, no mortgage, no car and yet I manage to live perfectly happily without any government help. If I suddenly decided that I wanted 2 children tomorrow I wouldn't expect anyone to say "here, have some money because you have done something special and had a baby."

The minimum wage is perfectly fine to live on as long as you don't spend too much and are happy to entertain yourself cheaply.
 
what about the kid who had no choice in being born to such parents?

Being poor doesn't mean they will be a bad parent. If they have planned poorly and their child suffers as a result then that was their choice.

People with parents that are poor but good with their children and raise them well won't have children that have "missed out".
 
what about the kid who had no choice in being born to such parents?

Very good point. In Britain as well, we pride ourselves in part on the quality of healthcare etc. and why should we lower those sorts of standards so that the tax payer can be let off a bit?? fez, the children aren't to blame and should not suffer as a consequence of anything their parents have or have not done.
 
Being poor doesn't mean they will be a bad parent. If they have planned poorly and their child suffers as a result then that was their choice.

People with parents that are poor but good with their children and raise them well won't have children that have "missed out".

He's not saying they're bad parents! He's referring to their financial situations.
 
If they have planned poorly and their child suffers as a result then that was their choice.
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the child suffering wasn't the child's choice though.


that's why we support the retards because if we didn't the first to suffer would be the child.
 
Very good point. In Britain as well, we pride ourselves in part on the quality of healthcare etc. and why should we lower those sorts of standards so that the tax payer can be let off a bit?? fez, the children aren't to blame and should not suffer as a consequence of anything their parents have or have not done.

Thats impossible without removing every child from their parent at birth. If you have a bad set of parents that smoke, drink and gamble what should we do? Give them more money in the hope that they will magically become responsible and spend it on giving their children a better upbringing?

I would love it if all parents were good parents but that is not the case. Everyone has to deal with the parents they have and it does affect your future potential but that is unavoidable.

What should we do for the parents of 5 that don't work and neglect their children?
 
Thats impossible without removing every child from their parent at birth. If you have a bad set of parents that smoke, drink and gamble what should we do? Give them more money in the hope that they will magically become responsible and spend it on giving their children a better upbringing?

I would love it if all parents were good parents but that is not the case. Everyone has to deal with the parents they have and it does affect your future potential but that is unavoidable.

What should we do for the parents of 5 that don't work and neglect their children?

You certainly don't leave the child to fester!
 
the child suffering wasn't the child's choice though.


that's why we support the retards because if we didn't the first to suffer would be the child.

Does that really fix or even improve the problem though. Good parents raise children well, not money.
 
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