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[Damien];21922483 said:
Well this war with E-UNI has definitely been fun. Sat night we put their POS into reinforced (late night euro crew represent!) and wiped out two waves of defence forces without breaking a sweat.

The POS came out of reinforced Mon night at about 2100 eve time and not long after us RFing the POS E-UNI had hired the mercenaries, NOIR(dot) to aid in the POS defence.

We headed down to Aldrat to finish off the POS, knowing they would be defending it hard and we weren't disappointed. We had about 250-300 in fleet, general DPS fleet. Light on logi and ECM. They had about 350-400 including heavy ECM, plus a lot of logistics, plus whatever NOIR brought. We fought valiantly but in the end we lost.

We just couldn't crack the logi/ECM and NOIR cut off reinforcements coming from our base in Hek while after a couple of re-ships in system smaller groups of E-UNI camped the stations in Aldrat so we couldn't continue to re-ship there. E-UNI was free to re-ship at will.

I personally lost 3 ships (and a full slave set pod due to a docking bug) in that battle but I'd do it all again in a heartbeat.

Also, after being podded and traveling back in a ceptor I joined up with a small squad of ceptors who were the only thing left alive in Aldrat on our side. We got a few kills on some unlucky E-UNI guys then called it a night. As far as I know other guys formed up back in hek and continued the fight.

GF E-UNI. :)
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Are you in RvB?

I was at my mates the day the war started and I flew for him in the early actions (just in a Rifter) and it was great fun! RvB are much better fliers and we roundly spanked them every time but playing on their home turf they had quick reinforce. Them falling back on Mercs and refusing to move out their own system proves how thoroughly owned they must have been.

Might have to pop round to my mates again to see how the fight goes :D only shame is that he is skint and can't fly anything above a Rifter :p
 
No1newts said:
Are you in RvB?

I was at my mates the day the war started and I flew for him in the early actions (just in a Rifter) and it was great fun! RvB are much better fliers and we roundly spanked them every time but playing on their home turf they had quick reinforce. Them falling back on Mercs and refusing to move out their own system proves how thoroughly owned they must have been.

Might have to pop round to my mates again to see how the fight goes :D only shame is that he is skint and can't fly anything above a Rifter :p
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Yeah I'm in Blue. They definitely had a massive advantage with us jumping into their static camp. They had ECM, logis, range, reshipping etc on their side. We knew that though and came in anyway. I reckon if we'd have had some dedicated logis and ECM we'd have held the field despite our lower numbers.

What's your/your mates ingame name(s)? I'll chuck a few isk your way for some new rifters.

Edit: I'm offering free jump clone services to RvBers too if anyone needs some setting up. It's not far from RvB HQ's or Jita so give me a shout.
 
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He's called Jonar Heth.

Just rang him and I'm nipping round his tonight to fly some for him :D

What's your in game name? Are RvB still based in and around Hek? Think he was laid up in a station in there, at least last I heard he was anyway!

Looking forward to it now :D juast a shame that there is no real logi support but it isn't needed in RvB really, same with heavy duty ECM.
 
No1newts said:
He's called Jonar Heth.

Just rang him and I'm nipping round his tonight to fly some for him :D

What's your in game name? Are RvB still based in and around Hek? Think he was laid up in a station in there, at least last I heard he was anyway!

Looking forward to it now :D juast a shame that there is no real logi support but it isn't needed in RvB really, same with heavy duty ECM.
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My char is the imaginatively named 'Damien Smith'. We're still based in Hek at the moment but I reckon a lot of the less enthusiastic guys will be heading back to their respective HQ's for normal pew. That was another reason we didn't have the advantage. RvB leadership didn't want to call a 'mandatory' move to Hek. A lot of guys stayed around The Forge doing whatever and were no help vs EUNI and were just picked off by random 3rd party war targets.
 
Well he cancelled tonight, pansy going out with his misus instead :p

He's suffering from the same problem I had getting into Eve and it's breaking through the initial start period. The learning curve isn't an issue as long as you have a brain and listen the problem is ISK. Missioning is **** but it's the only way to make any decent money on launch but the rewards are so low you are grinding them forever.

You can't just "jump into pvp" as jaded vets suggest because you lose ships fast at the start and without a sponsor you will need to do days worth of missioning for an hour or so of pvp which defeats the purpose. It's really frustrating for a new player and I think it's putting my mate on tenge verge as it did me.

CCP should either;

Create npc corps representing each race which ate at constant war with each other. Funnel newer players into these corps do they can pvp and cap ships at cruisers so new players in a frigate aren't murdered within seconds. Give away free frigates to replace those lost so players don't run out of ISK straight away. Base the battles and combine them with missions based in and around battles which reward decent ISK to help new players rather than 50-75k you are stick on on level 1 missions (which is worse than useless)

Alternatively they need to promote or run their own null sec corp to help new players get out of high. Most corps are either a) elitist or b) paranoid making it impossible (or thereabouts) for a new player to get down to null fast. Funnily enough it's the Goons who are the best at getting new players into null and they are one of the biggest around but joining Goons is an exercise in futility. Euni are worse than useless (I once had a 14 day trial and after that was up Euni had still not contacted me regarding my app) and RvBafe good but limited. We all know the Goons are a CCP corp in all but name do they may as well be more obvious and start a new one.

Just my thoughts but the game is unfriendly to new players and I know a lot of people who have given up at the first hurdle because it's a mile high and you get your legs chopped off at the knee about three foot before reaching the hurdle.
 
Create npc corps representing each race which ate at constant war with each other. Funnel newer players into these corps do they can pvp and cap ships at cruisers so new players in a frigate aren't murdered within seconds. Give away free frigates to replace those lost so players don't run out of ISK straight away. Base the battles and combine them with missions based in and around battles which reward decent ISK to help new players rather than 50-75k you are stick on on level 1 missions (which is worse than useless)
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Well in theory this is what FW is about. I will admit I sometimes undock the sleip for T1 cruisers or BCs but the way FW plexes are set up you can kinda hang out in a plex and decide if you're going to engage or not.

The ISK on offer in FW is relatively good (albeit in the form of LPs).

EVE is tough. The learning curve is harsh. While I'm always in favour of stuff that gets newbies up to a higher SP level quicker just throwing newbies in at the deep end isn't going to work.

From the point of view of our elderly corp a new player is a) not going to be able to fly anything useful* to most of our best fleet configs b) not going to know how to play well enough not to be an impediment and c) almost as likely to be an attept to place a spy in our corp as a "returning player not logged on for a long time" account recommended by a former corpie now in PL.

a) is down to power creep. The rejig of the tiers and prereqs will help but still the quality level of fleet you need to be in 0.0 doing pew pew goes up and up as better and better ships are introduced.

b) is down to training. It's actually p difficult and time consuming to train newbies and do it properly. Just recruiting them to a serious business PVP corp doesn't particularly work. I say this as a cofounder of a failed PVP training corp.
Also to be really blunt if people don't have the mindset to get out their and learn by doing they're not going to be an asset in the long run anyway.

c) is just down to how EVE works. Metagaming is a fact of life. It's a big part of the success (or failure) of proper PVP organisations. We were only able to kill a PL titan because we were not important enough for them to have spies in our alliance. We're not going to be doing that again.
 
Horse Pop said:
Well in theory this is what FW is about. I will admit I sometimes undock the sleip for T1 cruisers or BCs but the way FW plexes are set up you can kinda hang out in a plex and decide if you're going to engage or not.

The ISK on offer in FW is relatively good (albeit in the form of LPs).

EVE is tough. The learning curve is harsh. While I'm always in favour of stuff that gets newbies up to a higher SP level quicker just throwing newbies in at the deep end isn't going to work.

From the point of view of our elderly corp a new player is a) not going to be able to fly anything useful* to most of our best fleet configs b) not going to know how to play well enough not to be an impediment and c) almost as likely to be an attept to place a spy in our corp as a "returning player not logged on for a long time" account recommended by a former corpie now in PL.

a) is down to power creep. The rejig of the tiers and prereqs will help but still the quality level of fleet you need to be in 0.0 doing pew pew goes up and up as better and better ships are introduced.

b) is down to training. It's actually p difficult and time consuming to train newbies and do it properly. Just recruiting them to a serious business PVP corp doesn't particularly work. I say this as a cofounder of a failed PVP training corp.
Also to be really blunt if people don't have the mindset to get out their and learn by doing they're not going to be an asset in the long run anyway.

c) is just down to how EVE works. Metagaming is a fact of life. It's a big part of the success (or failure) of proper PVP organisations. We were only able to kill a PL titan because we were not important enough for them to have spies in our alliance. We're not going to be doing that again.
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I just think they need a better way of getting people into the game and not have them stuck doing missions for ages. Because a) it's **** and boring and b) it teaches you no useful skills for further progression into the game.

It would be interesting to see how many trials turn into accounts because they say welcome to Eve! Experience how amazing it is! .... but we are going to pretty much confine you to playing the worst, most soul destroying part of the game for the length of your trial and probably the first few months of your sub too, enjoy!

They need a way of getting people into pvp fast and seeing what eve is really all about, even if the new players aren't massively effective they can be useful, hell deadly in some circumstances. We all know the Goons turned eve on its head through suicide fleets of **** frigates which proves noobs can be effective if they are given the correct direction and opportunity.
 
As a new player to EVE I agree the current trial with all of its restrictions etc does blunt the overall appeal of the game, and doing constant missions or mining gets pretty old pretty quickly....

Almost a month in I find myself only logging in to continue training my skills as suggested by EVEmon for the Ship and fittings I have been recommended or maybe doing some mining in my little osprey
 
[Damien];21925760 said:
Yeah I'm in Blue.
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Bahh, I'm just about to leave Nullsec and join Red. Knowing someone in Blue from these forums is tempting me to change my mind. What time do you normally play Damien? Would you mind introducing me into the RvB way of life?
 
Not played Eve for over a year,think my toon has about 90 million skill points just got a 15 day free email I must admit I'm tempted to come back. has there been any big changes in the last 12 months?
 
JeffH said:
Bahh, I'm just about to leave Nullsec and join Red. Knowing someone in Blue from these forums is tempting me to change my mind. What time do you normally play Damien? Would you mind introducing me into the RvB way of life?
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I'm usually on most evenings; longer at weekends. I've only been in Blue for a couple of weeks myself although I was in Blue a good few years ago before I took a long break from eve. I'm happy to help you out as best I can. Give me a shout and if I'm not available to fly with, there's always small groups roaming round.

You can always join the RvB 'Ganked' nights which are on nearly every weekend. They're open to anyone and everyone (not just RvB) and it's basically a themed fleet (destroyers, ECM, blasterboats etc) which goes into nullsec and roams around killing stuff until we all die. If we all die early enough there's usually a round 2. Staying in theme is recommended but not essential and tacklers are always important.

Join the channels 'R-V-B' and 'rvb ganked'. That's where most people hang out in.
 
quish said:
Not played Eve for over a year,think my toon has about 90 million skill points just got a 15 day free email I must admit I'm tempted to come back. has there been any big changes in the last 12 months?
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I would say the whole game is different to what it was 12 months ago. Lots of little changes, but they have changed the game to what eve used to be
 
JeffH said:
Bahh, I'm just about to leave Nullsec and join Red. Knowing someone in Blue from these forums is tempting me to change my mind. What time do you normally play Damien? Would you mind introducing me into the RvB way of life?
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All the cool kids are Red Federales, not degenerate Blue Republicans. :cool:

(even if I haven't logged my RvB alt in in months)
 
No1newts said:
I just think they need a better way of getting people into the game and not have them stuck doing missions for ages. Because a) it's **** and boring and b) it teaches you no useful skills for further progression into the game.

It would be interesting to see how many trials turn into accounts because they say welcome to Eve! Experience how amazing it is! .... but we are going to pretty much confine you to playing the worst, most soul destroying part of the game for the length of your trial and probably the first few months of your sub too, enjoy!

They need a way of getting people into pvp fast and seeing what eve is really all about, even if the new players aren't massively effective they can be useful, hell deadly in some circumstances. We all know the Goons turned eve on its head through suicide fleets of **** frigates which proves noobs can be effective if they are given the correct direction and opportunity.
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It really isn't that attractive to new players :| when I started there was no enticing storylines, nothing that really gave you a good feel for where you were in the bigger game world. The SOE epic arc was about the only thing vaguely interesting and paid out about what a player at that level in the game needed to stay interested, once that was over it was sould destroying to go back to grinding normal missions up and I was about to quit the game but then I joined the ocuk channel just to see if anyone was active and TXSI was about to take their first steps into wormhole space which had just become a feature of the game and as I was from OcUK invited me along even tho my skills at the time were bare minimum if that for wormholes... and it completely changed the game for me and I've stuck with it.

If it wasn't for the fact that I originally got into the game after watching one of my brothers friends running a C5/6 escalation with a moros and came into the game with the long term goal of flying a moros I probably wouldn't even have stuck it out beyond the first week.
 
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