That's a good point actually, I think I should have put "broadly happy". There are certainly things wrong with the government/society at the moment, but nothing that major that some minor campaigning/voting different shouldn't be able to sort out. There is certainly no need to destroy what we have to try and make some kind of utopia that will almost certainly not be much better.
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That's a good point actually, I think I should have put "broadly happy". There are certainly things wrong with the government/society at the moment, but nothing that major that some minor campaigning/voting different shouldn't be able to sort out. There is certainly no need to destroy what we have to try and make some kind of utopia that will almost certainly not be much better.
Don't get me wrong, things aren't perfect now! Things, for most people, are good enough that they don't have to worry day to day however. Revolutions seem to be about major fissures in society and hardship for the majority, which we just don't have in this country at the moment.
As for a few of your other points; Teachers pay is above the average wage after two years and the last few years there has been massive competition for PGCE placements, in fact graduate teachers are having trouble finding jobs as there are too many new teachers to fill the limited spaces. I agree entirely about the schooling side of things though, just have a look at the grammar school debate in SC. Unfortunately you'll be branded a failure if you decide to be taught vocationally... :roll eyes:
The thing is, problems can be "solved" by changing things. Unfortunately things can also be broken by changing things as well, even with the best of intentions.
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Neither. Class mobility in the UK is a societal problem, and one better described by sociologists. Economics is one aspect as to why class mobility has fallen, but diet, education, society's values, technology and many other external factors would play a much larger role in this.
Just a standard grammatical technique to indicate I was answering a question that was originally directed to someone else...
Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about
Just a standard grammatical technique to indicate I was answering a question that was originally directed to someone else...
Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about
well he was talking to RDM not me.....
This.
Last thing I would do is bother to do anything approaching hard work if I was being rewarded the same as someone doing an "easy" job.
Moron socialists/commies, should let them have there paradise (Russia/China/North Korea) and chuckle as they beg to be free of it before its inevitable collapse
It was early, my mistake! I should have picked up on that with your first reply.
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Moron socialists/commies, should let them have there paradise (Russia/China/North Korea) and chuckle as they beg to be free of it before its inevitable collapse
Aye, because the western capitalist system will continue forever, yessiree, no shakings in the foundations here at all!
Why is it if you criticise some aspects of global corporatism the system has currently changed into, that automatically makes you a commie...
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Lazy in what way?, can you expand on this statement please, this why I take issue with some upper-class attitudes because anyone below them is seen as a lesser person in some way, even if these people in minimum wage jobs work full-time and pay their way they are still classed as lazy or some other derogatory term, you can't win, it's a classic join them or be damn scenario, I guess that's how it works, the underclass is made to feel like they are scum regardless so you claw your way to the top so you can finally look down on people and feel superior, that's the trouble with being poor, you can only poke the rats that pass you by in your humble abode, it doesn't do much to satisfy your superiority complex much.
Who works hard and who doesn't?, mind drawing a line here? this idea that the 'financially successful' are known as the only hard workers in society is silly.
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This.
Last thing I would do is bother to do anything approaching hard work if I was being rewarded the same as someone doing an "easy" job.
Moron socialists/commies, should let them have there paradise (Russia/China/North Korea) and chuckle as they beg to be free of it before its inevitable collapse
Oh great. Someone else who knows nothing of what Socialism or Communism is, but has an opinion on it anyway...
Oh great. Someone who still believes in socialism by wilfully denying any and all evidence that it doesn't work.
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So your motivation for your career choice is based purely on money then rather than choosing a career you enjoy?
What easy job would you choose to do then other what your are aiming to do or do now?
I'm sorry but this discussion is going nowhere until you understand what Socialism is, not what the Soviets/China or US/UK wanted it to be.
Correct. Because you can't convince anyone to try socialism again until you manage to jedi mind trick them into whatever they thought was socialism wasn't really socialism.
No thanks.
Way to completely miss the point lol.
I said I would not get out of bed to the same job which required a lot of effort and which rewarded me the same as someone doing something easy if that was the system we were stuck in. Why aspire, train hard and want to get somewhere if someone can sit on their behind and get rewarded the same?
On your point money certainly concerns me when choosing my career but is not the be all and end all. I will probably end up in my next job on aorund two thirds of the salary I was previously on but will be nearer home and have more free time to spend with my wife and son. (My last job was 60+ hours a week about 200 mile from home so I left)
Perhaps if you'd spend less time adjusting your tinfoil hat and read some Marx then you might arrive at the same informed decision.
Don't take my word for it, do some research and lose your silly prejudices.
Read it. It's interesting. Done some research.
For the same reason that I don't go to multi-level marketing seminars, time share "free lunches" or listen to Jehova's Witnesses, conspiracy theorists, evangelical christians or Mormons I don't listen to modern day socialists.
so how does it work?
if every job rewards the same then who's going to do the **** jobs who's going to do the very hard jobs that currently reward more to compensate.
what happens when you lose good candidates to poor ones because they would rather enjoy more free time than work longer hours to do the job required?