If it's on Youtube it can be taken down, and if it can be legally proven that someone put it up there they can be tried - in the same way as has happened here.
Student convicted of using a webcam to secretly film his room-mate in a gay encounter imprisoned
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If it's on Youtube it can be taken down, and if it can be legally proven that someone put it up there they can be tried - in the same way as has happened here.
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I'm kinda half with you to be fair. It smacks of the kind of hypocrisy that just does my head in.
Could you try to explain why you think it does? To me it's crystal clear, but perhaps I'm not seeing things in the same light as you?
"room-mates" means something different in the US vs UK... it literally means "room" mates.
I'm really surprised that I'm in the minority on this one.
it makes no difference, I share the house with a flat mate, doesn't mean he can secretly film me in. Those areas.
The reason you are alone is because you have a squewed. View.
It is not common and it was not done in public. It also should make no difference he was gay. The same act in. A heterosexual. Setting, w old still be totally illegal.
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And was it broadcast to the world, or solely to confirm his own suspicions?
Guy finds out his room mate is gay...
Guy decides to take the **** out of him...
... films him kissing another guy (not even pornographic material)
... laughs about it
... proven mentally unstable person commits suicide weeks later
... guy who made silly films GETS SENT TO PRISON
... I just can't connect the dots
Like I said, I think an appropriate response would have been civil action... just as is taken in other similar scenarios. To send the guy to jail for something so silly is, quite simply, ludicrous!
As an aside... I'm not gay, but I was bullied... I learnt to deal with it quite quickly and it didn't happen any more... simple
(The suicide, not the imprisonment).What dots to connect?
It is illegal to do what he did. It's as simple as that. The fact he killed himself or was unstable has no baring on the illegality of what his room mate did. Although might be taken into account in sentencing, but I have no idea on US law.
It is illegal to do what he did. It's as simple as that. The fact he killed himself or was unstable has no baring on the illegality of what his room mate did. Although might be taken into account in sentencing, but I have no idea on US law.
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Along the lines of post #10.
If the kid took it as a prank and manned up, would there have been a court case? Don't get me wrong, I think it was a bad thing to do.
The press do this to people every single day, (they still do) in the name of making money, which is worse than a 'prank' in my book.
Maybe more victims should kill themselves and this could be used as some kind of precedent? I'm being sarcastic ofc, it should not have to come to that.
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Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
My argument may have reached the point of arguing for the sake of arguing out of frustration... but I stand by my main point.
PRISON!?!?!
How is that correct to you?
Civil/fine... yes.
The gay guy's mental instability is not the responsibility of any party but himself... that's what suicide is, the ultimate form of self-control... I know, I've nearly been there.
If it's in private, without prior permission and used for what could be considered malicious purposes then yes.
Actually they are under US law:
If that weren't true then he wouldn't have been charged with invasion of privacy.
Edit: Here wer ethe full charges by the way:
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COUNT 1: Invasion of privacy on Sept. 19, 2010, for setting up remote camera in dorm room to watch Tyler Clementi. (4th degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 18 months in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Probation
COUNT 2: Bias intimidation on Sept. 19, 2010, for setting up the camera to watch Clementi with another man, a move that made Clementi feel intimidated. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Probation
COUNT 3: Invasion of privacy, for allowing Molly Wei and others to see Clementi and M.B. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Probation
Dharun Ravi brought to tears by his mothers comments to court Dharun Ravi brought to tears by his mothers comments to court Dharun Ravis mother, Sabitha, addressed the court during an impact statement. Visibly upset, her comments brought defendant Dharun Ravi to tears. Ravi was found guilty for invasion of privacy against his roommate Tyler Clementi. Ravi was sentenced to 30 days in jail, community service, and a $10,000 fine. (Video courtesy of News12 TruTV/InSession) Watch video
COUNT 4: Bias intimidation, for knowing his conduct could intimidate Clementi and make Clementi feel he was targeted because he was gay. (2nd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 10 years in prison with a presumption of incarceration, usually 5 to 7 years.
• Actual sentence: Probation
COUNT 5: Attempted invasion of privacy for attempting to set up camera again when M.B. visited Clementi in dorm room on Sept. 21, 2010. (4th degree).
• Maximum sentence: Up to 18 months in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Probation
COUNT 6: Bias intimidation for attempting to invade privacy with purpose to intimidate Clementi because of his sexual orientation. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Probation
COUNT 7: Attempted invasion of privacy Sept. 21, 2010 for tweeting an invitation for people to watch the second visit. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jail
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COUNT 8: Bias intimidation. For tweeting an invitation for people to watch Clementi's Sept. 21, 2010 visit with M.B., thereby causing Clementi to feel intimidated. (2nd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 10 years in prison with a presumption of incarceration, usually 5 to 7 years.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jail
COUNT 9: Tampering with physical evidence on Sept. 22, 2010 tried to remove tweets connected to both viewings from his account. (4th degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 18 months in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Fourth-degree offenses that do not carry jail time
COUNT 10: Tampering with physical evidence on Sept. 22, 2010 by changing a tweet to appear he discouraged anyone from watching Clementi a second time. (4th degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 18 months in prison; no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Fourth-degree offense that does not carry jail time
COUNT 11: Hindering apprehension or prosecution on Sept. 22, 2010 for trying to erase and change tweets to keep from being caught. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison, no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: Fourth-degree offense that does not carry jail time
COUNT 12: Hindering apprehension or prosecution on Sept. 23, 2010 for trying to tell Molly Wei what to tell police. (2nd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 10 years in prison with a presumption of incarceration; usually 5 to 7 years.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jail
COUNT 13: Hindering apprehension or prosecution for not telling the complete truth to investigators on Sept. 23, 2010. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison, no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jail
COUNT 14: Witness tampering for trying to influence what Molly Wei told investigators. (3rd degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 5 years in prison, no presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jail
COUNT 15: Tampering with physical evidence for trying to change or remove tweets and text messages between Sept. 19, 2010 and Sept. 23, 2010. (4th degree)
• Maximum sentence: Up to 18 months in prison, not presumption of jail time.
• Actual sentence: 30 days in jailTheoretical max of 72.5 years in jail, I'd say 30 days is getting off light.
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of. Course there wouldn't't like 99.9% of crimes, it requires some one to report it. Just because it isnt reported doesn't mean it isn't a crime.
Where do the press do this, every day. Examples please.
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So the dead dude's mental incapacity is the responsibility of some guy he barely knew playing a silly prank?
... why wasn't this dealt with the same way a similar offense would be? The suicide should not be attributed to the prank, but it most certainly has been.
It has been dealt with in the same way. Why don't you think it has been. In the UK we have impact statements and the like.
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I agree that it should not, but I don't agree that it was.
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What, then, if it was his brother or another family member who'd been silly? Siblings never play pranks...
You should take the same precautions you would in your own house, especially if you're forced in to a room with someone you barely know.
Do you really think the result would have been the same?
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Papparazi(sp)...
Maybe, maybe not. But that's why trials are done on a case by case basis. See my edit to the first post, he could have got up to 72.5 years for 15 different crimes!
Not in private they don't.
They film sexual encounters in someone's private room?
Again this is not an example. When have the paparazzi hidden cameras in private houses?
It's a bit like the phone hacking, totally illegal and if caught prosecuted. Just as they would be for hidinig cameras in private homes.
So again give. Examples of these every day occurrences, you've totally failed so far.
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Sticking your lens through the curtains is exactly the same as hiding a camera in a house... this is done on a daily basis.
They also abuse, torment & CHASE DOWN people... yet get away scott free... their acts are so so much worse than what this poor guy did.
A silly prank = jail time
A major abuse = nothing