I want to buy some stuff to do basic weight training at home

MoNkeE said:
Yes but if someone's following a traditional strength routine, why would they ever want to do 3x20 on hack squats? Even a hypertrophy routine wouldn't see you hitting those sorts of reps. So yes, it certainly won't take you long to out grow 100kg with deadlifts or squats :) Especially if like Tom you've been quite a big lad prior to lifting.
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oh dear. You're one of the people that claims it has to be 8 reps or less to be considered a 'strength routine', aren't you? dear me.

Have a google at some reasons one might want to incorporate a 20 rep squat set into their routine. You might learn something. Typically, a person wouldn't do 3 sets, maybe 1 or 2 - but apparently 100kg is a peanut to him, so whats 3 sets of peanuts.
 
There is a difference between advocates huge squat sets and general usage of high reps for strength.

Other than squats, I don't think I have seen any conclusive evidence of high reps being good for strength progression.
 
hypertrophy routines disagree, but in which exercises is he likely to surpass 100kg of weight in any time soon? Bench? no. OH Press? no, Deadlift perhaps, but again, supersetting high rep deadlifts can be extremely beneficial to strength training.
 
Deific said:
hypertrophy routines disagree, but in which exercises is he likely to surpass 100kg of weight in any time soon? Bench? no. OH Press? no, Deadlift perhaps, but again, supersetting high rep deadlifts can be extremely beneficial to strength training.
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Are you confusing hypertrophy routines and strength routines?
 
Oh dear. You're ignoring the part where I state traditional strength routine? Especially considering we're talking at beginner levels here. And even then, I can't see why you would ever drop heavy back squats for high volume hack squats as the bulk of your leg routine.
 
Deific said:
...of course, there was me thinking a 1RM was part of a hypertrophy routine. Silly me. :rolleyes:
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Wow, aren't you an incredulous little man? I honestly can't see why you have to take such a ****y mood in a discussion. Don't agree? Try and make your point without sounding like a five year old, yeah?
 
MoNkeE said:
Oh dear. You're ignoring the part where I state traditional strength routine? Especially considering we're talking at beginner levels here. And even then, I can't see why you would ever drop heavy back squats for high volume hack squats as the bulk of your leg routine.
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but nobody mentioned following a traditional strength routine besides yourself? and why would you drop heavy back squats for high volume hack squats? because you save yourself 300 quid, that you don't have, on a rack that you can do without.

MoNkeE said:
Wow, aren't you an incredulous little man? I honestly can't see why you have to take such a ****y mood in a discussion. Don't agree? Try and make your point without sounding like a five year old, yeah?
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It's not a mood at all, but when you get a response like that, which is no short of trolling, then you're going to get an equal answer.
 
Deific said:
but nobody mentioned following a traditional strength routine besides yourself? and why would you drop heavy back squats for high volume hack squats? because you save yourself 300 quid, that you don't have, on a rack that you can do without.
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And you were the first person to mention following some form of hypertrophy training - what's your point? People offering advice, someone said 100kg wont last you very long, and I agree. And I still disagree that swapping hack squats at volume with heavy front or back squats is going to any where near as efficient.

Also what about deadlifting? Just start doing lots of volume there as well? It's not conclusive to strength training, and never has been!

Deific said:
It's not a mood at all, but when you get a response like that, which is no short of trolling, then you're going to get an equal answer.
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Sorry mate but you came at my reply in such an unnecessary condescending way that I think you've initated all the aggressiveness here. Even with Morba who again managed a pretty polite way of saying he disagreed, you just reply with such a ****y response.
 
I bought myself a power rack, bench and 185kg of weights this time last year. Went for Powertec and cost me about £1k in total. That's all I needed to get started on a basic strength routine. I'd look at getting something similar as a bare minimum if you are serious about training. You could get second hand stuff for quite a bit less than that.
Mine came with a pullup bar attached and I've since added some dipping bars as well.

If you are going to train properly you will need more weight. I had to buy another 40kg after 6 months so lol at anyone suggesting 100kg is enough.
 
In what way? If it's something trivial surely it's not gonna annoy me?

I mean i'm far from some sort of elitist when it comes to equipment, i just need something that will get my size a bit bigger. :)
 
JaWalks said:
If you are going to train properly you will need more weight. I had to buy another 40kg after 6 months so lol at anyone suggesting 100kg is enough.
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100kg is more than enough to get started and he doesnt need 1000 worth of power rack or to spend a fortune on equipment he wont need as a beginner.

start slow and get good form you cant rush weight lifting or you will just ruin your back.

he might need to buy more plates fairly soon if hes got good natural strengh but the odds are he will need to build suporting muscles before hes benching/deadlifting anywhere near 100kg with good form.
 
You all say 100kg but where can i find that for a decent price?

Stuff i was looking at before was all 50kg and i was thinking that was enough, but what do i know? :)
 
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