Two mothers jailed for attack on autistic teenager

[TW]Fox;22031544 said:
We now live in a digital age of 24/7 news. Almost nothing more serious than a minor assault goes without being reported in the media.

There isnt more of this sort of thing, its just far easier than it ever was for us to hear about it.

I'd imagine we've also got better at detecting crime. Being caught as a serial killer in 1940 was, I imagine, far harder than the same today with forensic technology etc.
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Fair comments Fox.
 
shoes said:
We had 13 consecutive years of a new labour government.

Idiots most certainly do vote, en masse, too.
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Good voters won't stick to family traditions and call other voters idiots.
This country would be so much better if we stopped being so aggressive to others.
BREAKING NEWS, people have different opinions on how a country should be.
 
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Doesn't really surprise me that much to be honest. We live in a generation where it's ok to laugh at people getting hurt either by their own stupidity or as a "prank".
It's a cruel world but I'm not shocked that it's happening.
 
shoes said:
I think he is referring to the systemic abuse of the benefits system rather than those who are genuinely in need.

With regard to the only just scraping by on NWM not being living - tough ****. I was there once, I'd hazard a guess most people on here have had a NMW job at some point and only just got by. I bet there a many more who worked for much less than NMW as it hadn't been thought up, let alone introduced by that point.

It's a good incentive to raise yourself up and try to better yourself.

If you only have the potential to earn NMW then unlucky - life isn't fair. If you're incapable of bettering yourself then I don't see why everyone else who has put the effort in and achieved this should be expected to support those who cannot be bothered.

Going back to the first point, I'd love it if a way of policing childbirth could be thought up. Poor? Uneducated? Long term unemployed for no good reason? Dependant on benefits? Unintelligent? Crack head? Wear sportswear even though you don't ever play sport? Please report to you local police station to have you testicles removed/vagina sewn shut immediately.
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but by definition not everyone can get away from min wage. so should we expect so many people to be living in poverty? how will that persuade the spongers to work?
 
Skyline said:
As said above i was refering to the most prolific spongers of society not people that have to be on benfits because of job loss etc. Too many people find the easy way to get on in life is to fire out a few chavs and sit on the tax payers gravy train. Its about time they were stopped.
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fair point. i agree.

me and wife have decided that 1 kid is enough for us. we want to give him the best we can and i see him being only child as the best way to start that. i just wish more people had that attitude. it makes me sick seeing people who cant afford the 3 they have plan on more.
 
RomanNose said:
Good voters won't stick to family traditions and call other voters idiots.
This country would be so much better if we stopped being so aggressive to others.
BREAKING NEWS, people have different opinions on how a country should be.
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Yes, those with intelligence want to promote working ethics, education, a conservative use of resources, low crime and punishing criminals severely.

The majority, however, seem to like lavishing benefits on the undeserving, treating criminals better than their victims, allowing people to not work and enjoy a lazy lifestyle whilst procreating like rabbits and filling our poorly managed schools with dumb children, the parents of whom don't give a ****.

Winston Churchilll said:
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
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realBabelfish said:
but by definition not everyone can get away from min wage. so should we expect so many people to be living in poverty? how will that persuade the spongers to work?
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Oh please, poverty?

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shoes said:
Personally, I'd lock these two up and throw away the key.

Reoffending rate: 0. Harsh justice 1 - 0 soggy left
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What a silly silly man you are :rolleyes:

ALL the research and statistics indicate that stuff like this is one big vicious circle, the people who commit crimes like this are victims themselves and have more often then not been either sexually or physically abused and bought up in horrendously violent environment completely void of any love or care!!

So basically your saying we should punish them hard for OUR failings to protect them from the ****storm they were born into :confused:
What a horribly un-empathetic and rancid opinion to have!
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
What a silly silly man you are :rolleyes:

ALL the research and statistics indicate that stuff like this is one big vicious circle, the people who commit crimes like this are victims themselves and have more often then not been either sexually or physically abused and bought up in horrendously violent environment completely void of any love or care!!

So basically your saying we should punish them hard for OUR failings to protect them from the ****storm they were born into :confused:
What a horribly un-empathetic and rancid opinion to have!
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What is your solution? Throw money at them, say it's not their fault and reward them for their disgusting actions?
They maybe did have a bad life (probably didn't), they should still have some common decency though.
Nothing will change whilst these people are always made to believe they are in the right, or it's not their fault. Take responsibility for your own actions.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
What a silly silly man you are :rolleyes:

ALL the research and statistics indicate that stuff like this is one big vicious circle, the people who commit crimes like this are victims themselves and have more often then not been either sexually or physically abused and bought up in horrendously violent environment completely void of any love or care!!

So basically your saying we should punish them hard for OUR failings to protect them from the ****storm they were born into :confused:
What a horribly un-empathetic and rancid opinion to have!
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its not OUR failings,

if a parent decides to abuse their kid what can I do about it?

its never clear cut, its a nightmare for anyone involved, mental kids make stuff up, normal kids can be fightened into not saying anything... mental abuse cannot be proven, physical abuse can be explained as accidents falls etc...

the only answer would be any kid suspected of being abused to wear a video camera and audio recording equipment and for them to be monitored 24/7
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
What a silly silly man you are :rolleyes:

ALL the research and statistics indicate that stuff like this is one big vicious circle, the people who commit crimes like this are victims themselves and have more often then not been either sexually or physically abused and bought up in horrendously violent environment completely void of any love or care!!

So basically your saying we should punish them hard for OUR failings to protect them from the ****storm they were born into :confused:
What a horribly un-empathetic and rancid opinion to have!
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I'm calling bull**** on this.

What about responsibility for one's actions? What about cognitive process? What about stopping and actually thinking through your actions, a la the majority of people?

This bad background BS doesn't wash with me, I know people who were raised with abusive parents who went on to do very, very well for themselves. Conversely I know of people who had it all on a plate and still went to pot.

It's down to the individual. We cannot go on simply telling people it's not their fault and that they are excused from being worthless scum because of something that happened a long time ago.

Get help. It's available and there for everyone to use. If you can't find it you're not looking hard enough.

You point of view is utterly flawed. It is not OUR fault they had a crappy upbringing, and it's not our responsibility to simply take the backlash of their inability to control themselves and turn the other cheek whilst saying there there here have some money on us.

Jesus wept!
 
shoes said:
Oh please, poverty?

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yes, i know. ive been to africa :rolleyes:

im talking here, its relative. petrol doubled. food gone up a lot. energy doubled. general costs of living continually on the rise yet pay isnt keeping up.

there are plenty of people here who work and struggle to feed their family. we shouldnt be ignoring them. if we fail them we we have even more people scrounging when the kids see the parents work long hours for no return
 
shoes said:
, I know people who were raised with abusive parents who went on to do very, very well for themselves. Conversely I know of people who had it all on a plate and still went to pot.


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a lot is probably down to genetics, scum bag usless abusive people are more likely to have scumbag usless kids (who go on to be come bad parents again).

kids are the sum of their genes and upbringing...
 
edscdk said:
a lot is probably down to genetics, scum bag usless abusive people are more likely to have scumbag usless kids (who go on to be come bad parents again).

kids are the sum of their genes and upbringing...
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Excellent. So all these years then I've been correct, we need to implement and enforce a child bearing licence, with criteria which have to be met and serious punishment for flouting the law.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
What a silly silly man you are :rolleyes:

ALL the research and statistics indicate that stuff like this is one big vicious circle, the people who commit crimes like this are victims themselves and have more often then not been either sexually or physically abused and bought up in horrendously violent environment completely void of any love or care!!

So basically your saying we should punish them hard for OUR failings to protect them from the ****storm they were born into :confused:
What a horribly un-empathetic and rancid opinion to have!
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Exactly, it's a vicious cycle, so break the cycle by imprisoning/sterilising them, and taking away their children, preventing them instilling the same "values" on their children.
 
edscdk said:
a lot is probably down to genetics, scum bag usless abusive people are more likely to have scumbag usless kids (who go on to be come bad parents again).

kids are the sum of their genes and upbringing...
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i think evidence goes against you there.

i agree that kids brought up like that could most likely turn into bad adults. but i dont think a foetus is bad just because the parents are.

there is a 'serial killer' gene which has been proven but this doesnt mean you will be a psychopath it just means you are much more likely if bad things happen to you (most psychopaths have very bad childhoods or certain triggers that activate the behaviour). there was an interesting documentary on this recently and the guy who discovered the gene found out he had the gene! several of his ancestors were murderers that he didnt know about.
 
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