staffordshire bull terrier, why?

The most dangerous thing about these sort of dogs are usually the people who own them.

I wouldn't have one as I don't like the breed in terms of looks (fussy that may be but I prefer the dogs we had as kids, labs, retrievers and spaniels as I suspect lots of people end up doing) but I know friends who have two (brother and sister from the same litter) and they are great dogs, friendly, lively, loyal and well behaved and given a lot of exercise and stuff to do. Our friends have a little boy and he loves the dogs but his time with them was carefully controlled when he was small as kids are just as unpredictable as dogs.

They don't sit with ignorant people in a back garden all day with no training. If they did I bet they would be different dogs.

Some breeds of dog are more dangerous than others in terms of the injuries they can inflict if they go bad (strong jaws and necks designed for a certain sort of bite are going to wound more severely) but most dogs can potentially kill or maim a small child and people need to control and train them.

Dogs are potentially dangerous, owning them is a responsibility, I don't think Staffies are any worse than any other breed..the people who own dangerous dogs shouldn't actually have dogs at all.
 
I've been around dogs all my life, and in my experience the smaller 'yappier' dogs are far worse than any bigger breed. My brother has a staffy that wouldn't hurt a fly. They got him as a rescue dog and he the biggest attention whore ever. Never for one second have I ever considered him being aggressive.

On that note I have seen countless Jack Russells being very loud and aggressive. One almost took my eye out when I was 5. It took a chunk out of my cheek just below my eye.

Rottweilers are another breed that get such bad rap but every single one(about 20 in my life) that I have had contact with has been an affectionate softy(I actually want one personally).

The dog is 'bad' because of the owner, not because of the breed.
 
You also have to consider what the breed was actually bred for as well....it isn't as simple as blaming the owners or attributing training to a dog......some breeds are bred for specific traits and therefore those innate traits need to be considered....a fighting breed will be innately more risk than a bloodhound breed for example.

A breed bred for its guard-dog traits may well be a loyal and innately protective and safe breed for its owner and family, but may pose a risk to an outsider...for example the dog thinks that it's owners (child) is being attacked by the owners friend (child) when in fact they are merely playing.....the risk is apparent.

This is not to say that individual dogs will always be this way, or that individual dogs from different breeds will not, but it does mean that the breed of the dog should always be considered in regard to the likelihood of inconsistency of expected and/or acceptable behaviour.
 
My Grandma has an ex-breeding Westie. Basically for the first 5 years of her life she has puppies biting her. She was well cared for, but never loved. Now she is well loved and has become a house dog. Words cannot explain how placid she is - Almost Laborador-ish in nature!

I honestly think I could have a pet tiger if I had it from the day it was born. The best would be one of the Direwolfs from Game Of Thrones!
 
Staffies are one of only TWO breeds recommended to be good with children

FACT

If your referring to the recent incident it wasnt a staffie it was actually a much bigger dog namely a pitbull cross

Im a Gas Engineer and visit many properties each day many with dogs. From personal experience the worst dogs and most unfriendly are yorkies, jack russells and terriers in general. Ive only ever been bitten once and it was by an English Springer spaniel!

Always been welcomed by the likes of dobermanns, rottweilers, french mastiffs and similar :)
 
I own a German Shepard and people seem to think it's a vicious dog when I walk it. I've had people pick up their dogs so he doesn't attack them, I always laugh my head off when he walks past and doesn't even look at them. I've walked him before and two dogs attacked him while on the beach playing with his ball. He picked the ball up and walked back to me without even bothering, then the dogs came over to me growling. My dog got rather annoyed at that point and started barking but he's a lovely dog and knows when he's done something wrong.

I wouldn't own a dog like a Staffy just due to the look and my preference of bigger dogs like Shepards and Huskies.

It comes down to how the dogs are trained or looked after. Generally vicious dogs are not well looked after and get away with anything they do.
 
Antony101 said:
I own a German Shepard and people seem to think it's a vicious dog when I walk it. I've had people pick up their dogs so he doesn't attack them
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Maybe it's you they don't like the look of, we've had GSDs in the family since I was born and I can't think of ever having been out with any of them and getting a reaction like that :p

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The kennel club :rolleyes:
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Alright, touchy touchy, I was only asking, ****ing hell.
 
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Indeed.....you need to treat each different dog with varying amounts of caution when considering them as pets, especially if you have children or live in an area where there are a lot of children......how you treat and secure the dog must take into consideration the relative harm should something go awry, and with the best intentions in the world, dogs are not programmable, they are individuals and will act as such.
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No, you treat all dogs the same, none are to be 100% trusted.

Saying that *if* I was forced to leave a child with a dog my first choice would be a staffie they are amazingly affectionate with children, proper nanny dogs through and through.

As for the OP, well... yawn. Do you actually know any staffies?


Edit: In case anyone was wondering what the other recommened dog to have around children, is a chesapeake bay retriever.


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It comes down to how the dogs are trained or looked after. Generally vicious dogs are not well looked after and get away with anything they do.
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This is where a problem lies for the staffy, after all the bad press (for example often newspapers will use a photo of a staffy when reporting a dog attack before they even know the breed of dog involved) staffies have been abandoned, passed from pillar to post etc etc etc, it's not surprising that some of them end up snapping. A lot of rescue dogs do, you knever know what they have been subjected to. And currently 40% of all abandoned dogs... are staffies.


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Alright, touchy touchy, I was only asking, ****ing hell.
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You're the one exploding at someone giving you the facts, does a rolleyes really get your goat that much?
 
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No, you treat all dogs the same, none are to be 100% trusted.
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Which would ignore a very significant factor in how different breeds behave according to their specific traits and would ultimately be pretty foolish......and I don't recall stating any dog is to be 100% trusted, in fact ai stated the exact opposite.
 
Dr House said:
why would any get a S.Bull Terrier or any other dangerous dog?

Ok I understand they if trained properly they can be quite safe but why take the risk when you can get say a labrador which even if you do not bother to train properly is probably not going to try and eat your child.

They are much stronger then other dogs so if something did go wrong its going to cause much more damage then another dog. They may be loving loyal dogs but so are 90% of other dog breeds.

I know some idiots buy it as a status symbol but I have also seen lots of normal looking families with them around london.
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dont blame the dog blame the idiot owners
 
Castiel said:
Which would ignore a very significant factor in how different breeds behave according to their specific traits and would ultimately be pretty foolish......and I don't recall stating any dog is to be 100% trusted, in fact ai stated the exact opposite.
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That's right you didn't. It's what I said.

How would not trusting any dog 100% be 'pretty foolish'? It's actually 'pretty sensible'.

What I'm saying is it's black and white with dogs, none of them are 100% to be trusted. There are no varying degrees, you either trust a dog, or you don't. My advice is 'don't'.


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Exploding?

If you say so

I asked a simple question and got a ****ty response so I responded in kind :/
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Erm? Hello?

He said 'the kennel club' with a rolleyes. You call that ****ty? I call your response ****ty, what with the swearing and all :D
 
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It's a bad breed.. fault of the owners. The majority of owners are douchebags who buy them for the reputation, walking around with one is seen as carrying a sawn off shotgun. Are those kinds of people going to raise dogs properly? No they are not.

It may well be the case that there's plenty of nice ones around, and that one raised with a family would be a fantastic dog to own but it doesn't change the fact that the chavs out there who want a prestige 'hard' dog buy one.
 
shadesofgrey said:
That's right you didn't. It's what I said.

How would not trusting any dog 100% be 'pretty foolish'? It's actually 'pretty sensible'.

What I'm saying is it's black and white with dogs, none of them are 100% to be trusted. There are no varying degrees, you either trust a dog, or you don't. My advice is 'don't'.
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I don't think you a reading correctly.

I didn't say not trusting any dog 100% is foolish either....I said ignoring traits inherent in an individual breed is foolish and you should give due consideration to those traits when choosing a dog, especially with children or vulnerable groups involved.

You seem to be equating trust of the individual dog with consideration of the breeds traits and breeding.....
 
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Those are odd looking, very human faces!
 
Not read through the whole of this thread but I got the jist of it by reading the 1st page, and for people to say Labrador's aren't gonna bite a young child is actually pretty stupid. I've seen a picture of a women with half her face missing from a Labrador attack!

The problem with certain 'tough' dog breeds is the wannabe 'tough' mentality of their owners, they own these 'hard' dogs because they think it's an extension of themselves! These certain breeds in the right hands can be docile and friendly just like the stereotypical 'nice' breeds, it's totally in the training (and care/love) the dog gets. On the other hand it's surely not impossible for an animal to be prone to insanity of some kind in certain circumstances, thus causing the animal to cause at times fatal damage to other animals and humans.
 
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Every dog is an individual dog, regardless of breed.

You seem to be missing the point. You said...
you need to treat each different dog with varying amounts of caution when considering them as pets, especially if you have children or live in an area where there are a lot of children
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I said;

No, you treat all dogs the same, none are to be 100% trusted.
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There is no considering to be done when it comes to breeds as pets and esp around children because no dog is to be trusted. Every single dog is a risk, regardless of breed. Take the saffy as an example, well known nanny dogs, great with children as a breed, far more so than a poodle even (poodles are viscious blighters) but it's still a dog and not to be trusted.



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Not anymore...that advice has been removed and amended.
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No it has not. Where are you getting that from?

With the human race, however, he is kindness itself, and his genuine love of children is well known
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Direct quote from the kennel club breed advice
 
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