Unemployed bussed in to steward jubilee, unpaid and asked to sleep rough

ubersonic said:
Yes, YOU! this is being blown totally out of proportion... :S

They volunteered for work, it was hard work not some cushy number, they got training and equipment given to them, and because the was no 4 star accommodation and free lunch a couple of people whined to the press who sensationalized it to hell.

Oh no waaaah! while waiting for our job we had to sleep at the meeting point that was under a bridge waaah! Seriously? people sleep rough outside cinemas and shops waiting for film/console releases and their whining that they had to have a kip under a bridge because they arrived a few hours early? bah.

And oh noes! it was raining and all they gave us was a waterproof poncho to go with our free combats/boots/etc. and all we got out of this was an NVQ Level 2 in spectator safety and the chance for paid work at the Olympics :O

Beggars can't be choosers, or grateful it seems...
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Haha, Game, set, Match :D
 
Dolph said:
If I wanted money from others, I'd expect to work for it. how much work for how much money is where the negotiation comes in.
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Just because we CAN treat people like **** doesnt mean we should.


Dont disagree with them working - good. But can we still treat them like human beings if thats alright with you?
 
RomanNose said:
When dolph steps in, the right wing meter goes critical.
Come on dolph, this isn't acceptable is it? Have some sympathy here, you can't assume all of these were dole scroungers.
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ideally, it would not be acceptable, because we would have a fair benefit and taxation system with universal entitlements offset against taxation, which would negate complaints.

however, as we do not have an ideal system, coercion becomes a necessary evil.
 
dowie said:
They sound a bit soft tbh... they had 4 hours to sleep on the coach and were told to get their head down for a couple of hours under London bridge (article says they arrived at 3am and got up at 5:30 am - so 2.5 hours under the bridge... )... sounds like they had tents but didn't due to hassle of using them on concrete*... then they had to work in the rain wearing a waterproof supplied to them... (the horror) and later they were taken to a soggy campsite (damn that rain again). Not being funny but if you're going to work outside then you'll likely have to put up with rain and if you're going to do a job working at events then sleeping in tents/sleeping when traveling might well be part of the requirements.

Maybe the company was badly organised but I'd say the combination of people not used to working suddenly being faced with having to put up with less than ideal conditions and a guardian journalist looking for a story has made this look worse than it likely was.

*(strangely enough other unemployed people trouble putting up tents on concrete outside st pauls)
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Having read around what happened, I'm going to quote the above because no one replied to it, and it seems to mirror my thoughts. Big deal out of not very much at all.
 
The Work Programme is run by firms like G4S and a4e, corrupt and fraudulent that donate to the political parties in return for contracts, thus free labour and profits booming.

The government has ended a contract with welfare-to-work company A4e after deciding that continuing would be "too great a risk", it has said.

Employment minister Chris Grayling said the Mandatory Work Activity contract to help up to 1,000 jobless people in south-east England find work would end.

The firm is the subject of a police investigation into allegations of fraud relating to government schemes.

An eighth person was arrested on Monday.

Seven others are on bail until dates in late May, June and July.
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But tory boys on here keep on living like sheep thinking there is millions of jobs and people are on the dole because they like living off £67 a week.
 
UncleRuckus said:
No really when you go to festivals it is easier to sleep because you get a skin full of whatever; not really an option if you want to make a good impression with an employer, is it?
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Nor is whining to the press so given they're probably not all that bothered by the impression they're making with said employer, they may as well have had a skinful.
 
Also would you be happy going to sleep on a pavement in London with all sorts of people walking about even just for a few hours!
 
Kenai said:
Nor is whining to the press so given they're probably not all that bothered by the impression they're making with said employer, they may as well have had a skinful.
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If you had read what I had previously stated you will see that I would be happy to do the job but I would be livid about the resting conditions.
 
goes for job:

what experience do you have ?

well the job centre made me sleep under a bridge and stand in the rain, under the guise of experience working for free so some company didn't have to pay people cos they donated £££ to some tory ****

rinse and repeat!
 
MrMoonX said:
goes for job:

what experience do you have ?

well the job centre made me sleep under a bridge and stand in the rain, under the guise of experience working for free so some company didn't have to pay people cos they donated £££ to some tory ****

rinse and repeat!
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erm.. job is event steward...

Interviewer - "So are you aware that there is lots of travel involved in this position and you may have to camp overnight in areas with limited facilities... would you be able to cope with this?"
 
I'd love to see the resulting guardian article if some of these job seekers had some work experience with the army for a 24 hour period... 'OMG we slept rough and got shouted at, we had to run lots and it rained...'
 
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dowie said:
erm.. job is event steward...

Interviewer - "So are you aware that there is lots of travel involved in this position and you may have to camp overnight in areas with limited facilities... would you be able to cope with this?"
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Should still have access to a toilet in order to comply with the health and safety at work act
 
Beggars can't be choosers, or grateful it seems...
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This trite phrase seems to be used by quite a few folk seemingly to justify atrocious work conditions offered to those not fortunate enough to be in employment.

Essentially are you saying it is ok to treat the beggar, the poor man, the unemployed person in a degrading fashion exactly because he is poor, is unemployed...he is less than the rest of us...the workers Let us exploit this condition of theirs for every penny of profit we can squeeze. And if they complain at their lot hey "beggars cant be choosers"

Its easy to oppress those with nothing and least able to fight back isn't it...
 
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