Unemployed bussed in to steward jubilee, unpaid and asked to sleep rough

Rroff said:
Whilest there are a good number who make no effort to actually find a job. It really is pretty tough finding work at the moment. We have people coming in almost daily basically begging for work including people who were former management in woolworths with fairly impressive "resumes" who should be finding work easily on paper.
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I'm quite aware of that and I did say that plenty have their reasons :) I was fighting if you will, against this underlying notion that these people are all poor, helpless and defenceless little angels. Noticed a lot of appeal to emotion to back peoples arguments and that just doesn't work with me. Note how I also said I didn't agree with what was done by the way.

Just to say something against what you said though. A lot of people may very well come begging for work but you've missed something there. How many of those are long term unemployed.

There's so many sides to this argument and so many left out facts/figures that nobody on this thread has actually presented a good argument either way. It is far from slave labour which some of the extreme views seem to say but it is also far from absolutely fine.
 
Woden said:
They should have gotten at least minimum wage and a travel lodge for the night. Thats what any paid worker would expect, but becuase they are "volunteers" they aren't entitled to what anyone here would normally consider basic treatment. Would you have pulled a 14 hour shift for no extra pay and naught but a tent to sleep in? Didn't think so.
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I would have if I was in their position, a little bit of inconvenience in exchange for an NVQ and a job as a steward at the Jubilee to put on my resume when im out of work during a recession? Yes please.

Its not like this company was exploiting anyone, they got training (and clothing that they got to keep) that would have cost them quite a bit to go out and get on their own, and potentially they will get employed during the Olympics (which is most likely as if the company didn't need extra staff for the Olympics then they wouldn't have done all this because it would actually have been cheaper to just hire qualified/experienced staff than do all this)
 
ubersonic said:
I would have if I was in their position, a little bit of inconvenience in exchange for an NVQ and a job as a steward at the Jubilee to put on my resume when im out of work during a recession? Yes please.

Its not like this company was exploiting anyone, they got training (and clothing that they got to keep) that would have cost them quite a bit to go out and get on their own, and potentially they will get employed during the Olympics (which is most likely as if the company didn't need extra staff for the Olympics then they wouldn't have done all this because it would actually have been cheaper to just hire qualified/experienced staff than do all this)
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yeah cos an NVQ is worth the paper its written on :rolleyes:
 
Woden said:
I dont think you can count 1 day as experiance.
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If you are long term unemployed you desperately need something on that CV of yours. That little bit of text is gold when you're in that position. Maybe not to an employed / short term unemployed though.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Better than not having it.
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Katsumoto said:
If you are long term unemployed you desperately need something on that CV of yours. That little bit of text is gold when you're in that position. Maybe not to an employed / short term unemployed though.
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Surely volunteering as ANYTHING regulary would be better suited than a one off stint of 14 hours at the Jubilee?
 
Haven't been on ocuk for a while, came back and yep, still the same amount of shockingly evil and apathetic people post on these forums. The 'they should get a job then' brigade are the worst ones, especially as they don't seem to understand that these people volunteered because they are looking for jobs in a climate where there are far more people than openings and have been for some time. These same volunteers also rightly expected actual accomodation and food, not to be told they are to sleep under a bridge out in the rain with no money, no food and no shelter. Absolutely terrible stuff that should make people think twice about waving those Union Jacks.
 
Woden said:
Surely volunteering as ANYTHING regulary would be better suited than a one off stint of 14 hours at the Jubilee?
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Indeed, that's true. But we dont know the individual circumstances of everyone there. There could be regular volunteers, or 1 off volunteers. But regardless the experience is still golden. Plus by all accounts this opportunity also leads to more stewarding at the Olympics. No doubt the ones who complained will be overlooked for that particular opportunity though :p

but seriously you must see the importance of having Jubilee AND the Olympics on a CV when wanting to be a steward right?
 
wannabedamned said:
Indeed, that's true. But we dont know the individual circumstances of everyone there. There could be regular volunteers, or 1 off volunteers. But regardless the experience is still golden. Plus by all accounts this opportunity also leads to more stewarding at the Olympics. No doubt the ones who complained will be overlooked for that particular opportunity though :p

but seriously you must see the importance of having Jubilee AND the Olympics on a CV when wanting to be a steward right?
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If its combined with other stewarding/voluntary work then yes.
 
scorza said:
I agree but it's a shame that a perception that people doing it are coerced into doing it totally devalues something like that on your CV.
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They weren't coerced, but they weren't told they are to sleep under the bridge with no shelter or food until they got there. If they knew that, they wouldn't have volunteered - I don't think anyone would have. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
 
ubersonic said:
Yes it is, I think your confusing it with something "academic" like a GCSE or an AVCE. An NVQ or a city&guilds or something similar will usually be required for a physical job like stewarding.
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oh yes a city and guilds and an NVQ are really gonna be great :rolleyes:

next we will see them dishing out diplomas in stewarding

they literally have NVQs for everything, NVQ in cleaning the toilets anyone?
 
MrMoonX said:
oh yes a city and guilds and an NVQ are really gonna be great :rolleyes:

next we will see them dishing out diplomas in stewarding

they literally have NVQs for everything, NVQ in cleaning the toilets anyone?
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I've just seen your posts in the other thread(Jubilee). You really do talk nonesense dont you.

Whats wrong with introducing an NVQ in toilet cleaning exactly? It would show you're qualified would it not, possibly give you knowledge in certain unknown aspects? And also if applying for a position of a toilet cleaner, give you a foot up over others without the qualification. :)

So point out the problem, without trying to sound silly now please ;)
 
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