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paradisiac said:
but will this not be part of their inhouse training to get updated?
im not saying for people it isnt interesting, but adding it as a link on the main google page seems a bit OTT for something that might not happen for a while in a large enough capacity for anyone to really know about.
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Yeh, in house training will be for a lot of people but it's still a big thing in the world of networks.

It's like saying Microsoft won't tell people about Windows 8, no marketing nothing just put it on the shelves as if it's nothing.
 
For those who don't understand, basically:

Every connected device to the internet has an IP address. The old protocol could only handle up to 5 billionish devices. This is not enough. IPv6 allows many billions more = internet can continue to grow.
 
mrbell1984 said:
Yeh, in house training will be for a lot of people but it's still a big thing in the world of networks.

It's like saying Microsoft won't tell people about Windows 8, no marketing nothing just put it on the shelves as if it's nothing.
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but windows 8 is a product, that an every day consumer will be able to purchase.
are you saying i have a choice with ipv6? i could say no, im happy with what i have i dont want it? like i can with windows xp, vista or 7?
my main point/question was, do any 'everyday' people need to do anything, purchase anything or need to know anything to use this new system, or will it just slowly swap over to it and no one would ever know unless they worked in IT?
i suppose my thing is, is it like the big digital switchover, where everyone will have to fork out for a new digibox (or router in this case)?
 
mrbell1984 said:
Possibly, depends what connection people have. Overtime routers will be switched that support IPV6. A lot do now but also a lot will have to be changed in the near future.
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well if this is the case, then yes, i agree that some education is needed as people wont want to have to spend money on something without knowing why. although i still think that when technology changes providers should be obliged to upgrade the equiptment they provide free of charge, as without their customers subscriptions they wouldnt have a company.
 
paradisiac said:
well if this is the case, then yes, i agree that some education is needed as people wont want to have to spend money on something without knowing why. although i still think that when technology changes providers should be obliged to upgrade the equiptment they provide free of charge, as without their customers subscriptions they wouldnt have a company.
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Some providors will do it free but they will do it on the sly. IPV6 isn't a forced upgrade just yet. It's just informing people what is happenining and what it all means. People learn this way.
 
mrbell1984 said:
Some providors will do it free but they will do it on the sly.
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cant see sky or bt doing it for free, they will do anything to screw you for more money.
Customer - 'i cannot access websites anymore'
Sky/BT - 'that is right, your router is not compatible with ipv6'
Customer - 'oh, how to i resolve this?'
Sky/BT - 'we sell ipv6 routers for £129.99'
Customer - 'dont i get it free as i am paying you a fee for an internet service, which i can no longer get'
Sky/BT - 'no, they are only free for new customers. as an existing customer we will continue to take your money and give you no service at all unless you hand over the £129.99. have a nice day'
 
mrbell1984 said:
^^ they wouldn't be allowed to do it like that.
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really? thats pretty much how all my convos with sky go, whether it was when i was with them for internet or with their tv service, its always the old 'only for new customers, as an existing customer we will happily take your money even though we cannot provide the service you are wanting and are paying for.
 
paradisiac said:
cant see sky or bt doing it for free, they will do anything to screw you for more money.
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It's not an overnight thing as the news would have you believe and IPv4 and v6 can coincide but can not directly talk to each other. There will be a good few years where you will want both a IPv4 and a IPv6 address.

edscdk said:
IP6 great, as long as you still keep everything behind a NAT router to stop anything accessing it...
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There isn't NAT like NAT in IPv4, however there are other privacy tools available that are better thought out.
 
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Trifid said:
It's not an overnight thing as the news would have you believe and IPv4 and v6 can coincide but can not directly talk to each other. There will be a good few years where you will want both a IPv4 and a IPv6 address.
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just like the digital switchover with tvs then. panic everyone into buying freeview boxes, only to find your area doesnt get analouge switched off for another 18-24months :p
 
so in 2-5 years time this will happen? and in that time 99% of people will have had their routers replaced any way with one that is ipv6 compatible, either through changing providers, upgrading to fibre optic or their old one dying. so overall, 99% of the popluation would go through the ipv4-ipv6 transition without even realising it happened?
leading me back to my original point of, why do we need to know about it, when we a) wont get a choice in whether we have it or not and b) we dont actually have to do anything to get it.
 
Interesting. It'll be like when phone numbers started to run out in the 80s/90s and an extra digit got added so that e.g. 0785 became 01785 for Stafford.

I couldn't see anywhere on the page on what the new IP address will look like. Will it be an extra 8-bit number so that it becomes xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?
 
Trifid said:
There isn't NAT like NAT in IPv4, however there are other privacy tools available that are better thought out.
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so if someone installs a new home server is there on the internet available for anyone to try and hack... thats a step back from IPV4 and nat i think...

is there somethign in IP6 that some how provents remote machines probing other devices?
 
Monserrat said:
Interesting. It'll be like when phone numbers started to run out in the 80s/90s and an extra digit got added so that e.g. 0785 became 01785 for Stafford.

I couldn't see anywhere on the page on what the new IP address will look like. Will it be an extra 8-bit number so that it becomes xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?
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0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 to ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff
 
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