the future of bodybulding

cu3ed said:
Its REALLY not how things in teh body work at all.
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OK...so you know thats REALLY not how things work...but you cant explain how they do work? :confused:


When i do a squat, my quads dont know where the weight is.
It could be on a bar on my shoulders.
It could be in a backpack on my back.
It might just be my bodyweight.

If my bodyweight is suddenly twice as much as usual, then my quads will have to work twice as hard to do a bodyweight squat. It's no different from doing a normal squat with a weight on my shoulders.
 
cu3ed said:
That is possobly the most ridiculous notion that obese poeple are also holding more muscle mass to "compensate" for their own weight.
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:rolleyes:

So you think carrying x-stone of weight about all day every day, and having to stabilize that weight, isn't going to increase muscle mass. You're living in a dream world.

Go put 5stone in a rucksack and wear it everyday all day (other than night) and see what happens over a few months.
 
Skillmister said:
I may be completely wrong but my brain screams out that they would be 2 wildly different situations. If i carried 80kg of iron spread out evenly over my entire body i'm sure it would be a massively different feel to squatting with 80kg directly over my shoulders/back.
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Yep, you're right.

In 2G, my whole body would weigh twice as much, so obviously some of this weight is below my quads and wouldnt be lifted in a squat. So in reality, you'd need slightly more than 2G.

I ignored this fact to try and simplify things to explain why a squat under increased mavity is similar to doing a weighted squat.
 
touch said:
OK...so you know thats REALLY not how things work...but you cant explain how they do work? :confused:


When i do a squat, my quads dont know where the weight is.
It could be on a bar on my shoulders.
It could be in a backpack on my back.
It might just be my bodyweight.
If my bodyweight is suddenly twice as much as usual, then my quads will have to work twice as hard to do a bodyweight squat. It's no different from doing a normal squat with a weight on my shoulders.
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Then its hard to tell you with no understand of simple bio-mechanics, the body reacts VERY differently to a weight on teh bar aross your upper back to teh same weight in a backpack, to overall bodyweight, they are not the same thing, your body doesnt work that way at all, certianly not froma bodybuidler/ Powerlifter doing squats.
 
cu3ed said:
Then its hard to tell you with no understand of simple bio-mechanics, the body reacts VERY differently to a weight on teh bar aross your upper back to teh same weight in a backpack, to overall bodyweight, they are not the same thing, your body doesnt work that way at all, certianly not froma bodybuidler/ Powerlifter doing squats.
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No ones saying it acts exactly the same.

But it does act and it will increase muscles mass.
 
Glaucus said:
:rolleyes:

So you think carrying x-stone of weight about all day every day, and having to stabilize that weight, isn't going to increase muscle mass. You're living in a dream world.

Go put 5stone in a rucksack and wear it everyday all day (other than night) and see what happens over a few months.
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I will loose weight, muscles will move onto quick type fibres for endurence, that what will happen, Commandos have about what...40Kg on their backs when carrying minimal gear( this can double when in trianing for gaining fitness)...how come they arnt all muscular and over developed in the thigh areas? They trian that way, day in day out for months at a time.
 
I think you'll find they are muscly. Just not as muscly as some one who benches/squats (different type of exercise) and benches far more than 40kilos.
 
FeFiDoh said:
Why is he still allowed on here?
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He's genuinely funny. Not always, but he produces some quality lunacy with some vague waving at reality. This thread is one of the best. The basic premise is sound - moving in higher g would exercise your muscles more - but the implementation is silly. It's expensive, complicated and serves no purpose that can't be done as well in a much simpler, cheaper way.

Kwerk is the Wile E. Coyote of these forums.
 
Their not really, their mostly kinda scraney guys, certianly some are bigger, but not what you call BB' muscular.

Its kinda like saying that you would trian all body parts with the exact same weight, your bench , shoulder press, pull down ( you cant deveop your lats in anyway in this by the way!), squat, etc at all the same weight, you dont, you have heavier poundages for certain muscle groups.
 
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Who said anything about training all muscles the same?
And yes you carry extra weight around all day, you are going to increase you muscle mass regardless of what you think. You take there starting muscle mass and there end uncle mass there will be a significant difference.

Now if you are talking just about bodybuilding, then you need to do very high weights.

Now if you increas the G even more and do body building type of exercise you could receive those sort of body building results. Whilst getting. A more balanced overall training.

But then there's the other issue of stability. And forces acting on you sideways.
 
* shakes head*, im done, if you really think thats how it works, im really in utter disblief.

But, basically, youre taking everything that researched in Body mechanics, the ration between muscle and weight and saying otherwise.
 
cu3ed said:
* shakes head*, im done, if you really think thats how it works, im really in utter disblief.

But, basically, youre taking everything that researched in Body mechanics, the ration between muscle and weight and saying otherwise.
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Inrealy not.you are just assuming we are talking abuot something obtaining same results, when we aren't.
 
cu3ed said:
Whicnh basically means then this is of no use to a BB'er, gee, guess thats what the OP asked about.
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Find a post I talked about BB(other than one of the last posts) also how about your statement, that fat people do not have larger muscle mass. Of course they do. How do you think that mass is supported. How do you think they can bend over and then manage to lift that weight back up again.

BB isn't the only weight training.

Guess what, he says weight training in OP not BB. Although it does say BB in title.
As said it would also work foor BB if you did weights in the same way, you would just need a lower weight.
 
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Glaucus said:
Find a post I talked about BB(other than one of the last posts) also how about your statement, that fat people do not have larger muscle mass. Of course they do. How do you think that mass is supported. How do you think they can bend over and then manage to lift that weight back up again.

BB isn't the only weight training.
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You are maybe talking a 2% increase per Stone of Fat, so yea, theyll be on the olumpia stage in no time, to a point where excess happens, then the muscles actually start to weeken, skelatal pressure points start to take on the weight, hence many later downt eh line suffer from hip and other key joint problems.

No fi you want to go on a tagent and talk about how G effects atually effect teh body, they only really work on pivoting joints, IE, mostly, the neck, of course everything else will become stronger, but strngth does not mean size, in fact in terms of enduing say 20g for a long persion of time, endurence at weight it the key with maybe the loaer back taking most of the strain trying to keep yourself straight.
Mostly things like a strogner faster heart rate, strogner circulatory system ( blood flow is hjeavily effected by mavity) and other body fuctions, physical strength would be the last, see how F1 drivers train to get an idea.

Bearng in mind at 20g, your knees would blow out anyways in a standing position.
 
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