Woman refused bus travel at 3am for being 20p short on bus fare is raped... What would you have done

How can anyone blame the driver ?

If they are short at cash-in it comes out of their own pocket, it adds up if you let X amount get away without paying the full fare.
Theres normally a system to bypass fares but it relates mainly to children, not adults out at 3AM.
The bus routes normally take longer than what their timetable allows, consistent delays and they will be pulled into the office. The driver can't force anyone off the bus hence the 8 minutes waiting, but nor can they afford to wait for people to get money.

If your going to blame the driver..blame her for not getting a taxi, blame her mother for drawing her towards a park at 3AM. What if it was a mouthy young lad who the driver refused, and then got raped ?

Not really fair is it ?
 
They should feel shame for not parting with 20p, Or in the bus drivers case for not letting her off with 20p. Day time, or sociable hours. Fair enough, But at 3am in the morning, it's just such a horrible thing to do to a young woman, Hell to anyone! But more so for a young woman as she can become a target as seen.

Time and time again at work, during the night shift. We've had people being sacked, And my employer does nothing to ensure they have a safe way home. I know a few girls who have had to walk home, Same situation and it's disgusting. It's putting them needlessly in harms way.

The rape is an extremely horrific act, the main person responsible is of course the rapist. But the woman should never have been put in that situation.
 
Curio said:
Fortunately, we live in a world where common sense and common decency prevail quite often, and not in your world where neither exist and everything is set in stone.
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Wha?

I'm saying common sense is good! If you're going out at 3am, it's common sense to make arrangements for getting hoe because you will no doubt be too drunk to think clearly then.
 
Curio said:
But we CAN do something - we can let women on the bus for the sake of 20p in the middle of the night!

Or are you suggesting everybody dresses down, doesn't drink, and carries exact change with them at all times just in case? Seriously, I would hate to live in the world some of you people seem to want.
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Why are you exaggerating my point so much??

I'm all for partying and cleavage. (and allowing the 20p).

What I'm saying is, we cant do anything about the people who will commit a crime in the future, but there is so much you can do to reduce your risk of becoming a victim.
 
Curio said:
But we CAN do something - we can let women on the bus for the sake of 20p in the middle of the night!

Or are you suggesting everybody dresses down, doesn't drink, and carries exact change with them at all times just in case? Seriously, I would hate to live in the world some of you people seem to want.
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Who said anything about exact change?

It's not difficult to carry around £20 with you.

If she was sober enough to call her mum, she was sober enough to call a cab and all this would've been avoided.

Let's say she lost her money, how difficult is it to call a cab and xplain to them that you'll pay at destination? All you need is a cab's company phone saved to your contacts.

I'm not saying it's her fault or that she deserved to be raped, but i am saying she was foolish for not taking all the reasonable steps to protect herself from danger.
 
As a bus driver I would have just given her a ticket to somewhere closer that she could afford to pay for and let her stay on all the way.

However, I wouldn't put it past bus companies to have undercover people who would be more than happy to punish drivers who do that for fraudulent behaviour, plus if he lets her go to the cash point his company will again likely be on his back for not keeping to ridiculous time tables that allow no waiting time.

Should he have given her 20p? I get asked several times just walking down the street for 20p or 30p, I can imagine bus drivers get hundreds of people a week who are 'short' and just trying it on, drivers would probably be always skint if they helped everybody out.

A lot of people could have prevented the incident, including herself by not being around secluded parks at gone 3am. Why didn't she go to the cash point and phone a taxi? why didn't her mum tell her to meet her somewhere less secluded? thousands of people will get kicked off buses for not having enough money it's just very unfortunate that this particular incident led to a rape.
 
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Logic dictates that the fault is only on the rapist, obviously.

Only society would perceive that anyone is at fault, due to chivalry, kindness and such, which is fair...but frankly is irrelevant.

The driver and the people on that bus will have that scar for life, that is their punishment.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Let's say she lost her money, how difficult is it to call a cab and xplain to them that you'll pay at destination? All you need is a cab's company phone saved to your contacts.
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That is so true. I've done this countless times myself, you don't even have to explain yourself. At the start of the journey I just ask the driver to pop into a petrol station mid journey so I can withdraw some cash.
 
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asim18 said:
That is so true. I've done this countless times myself. At the start of the journey I just ask the driver to pop into a petrol station mid journey so I can withdraw some cash.
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I don't use a cab/taxi as i drive.

But the last time i used a cab, yup told the driver to stop by a petrol station so i can withdraw cash out.
 
Castiel said:
I agree, which is why when I was in a position to do so, I bought in a system that allowed Drivers to issue tickets without payment to be reimbursed by the company and then payment could be made at a later date by the passenger....basically an unpaid fare system, so that the driver was not out of pocket and the passenger was not unduly inconvenienced, either by not having enough change or a situation like the OP.

However, many companies do not share this view and it is all about revenue.
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There was a system like this in force with strathtay and then stagecoach when i worked for them, however it was reliant on the passenger giving us information to contact them for future billing, more often than not it was easier to just give them a ticket though and just be short, especially with timings being as tight as they were, cant say i ever missed the odd couple of quid in shorts, and passengers were happy.

but i understand what your talking about with the main operators, they are ruthless when it comes to irregularities.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Who said anything about exact change?

It's not difficult to carry around £20 with you.

If she was sober enough to call her mum, she was sober enough to call a cab and all this would've been avoided.

Let's say she lost her money, how difficult is it to call a cab and xplain to them that you'll pay at destination? All you need is a cab's company phone saved to your contacts.

I'm not saying it's her fault or that she deserved to be raped, but i am saying she was foolish for not taking all the reasonable steps to protect herself from danger.
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i understand what your saying but was it really worth all this over 20p, the driver was just being awkward because he could, i know the type i used to work with them every day, i hated that attitude, being a **** in that sort of job is so much more effort than being nice friendly and accommodating.
 
asim18 said:
What I'm saying is, we cant do anything about the people who will commit a crime in the future, but there is so much you can do to reduce your risk of becoming a victim.
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By saying that, you imply that she was at fault on some level for getting raped. You are wrong.
The only reason she got raped was because some scumbag attacked her.

It's not the bus driver's fault, it's not the passenger's fault, it's not her mum's fault, it's not the police's fault, it's not the pub or bar she went to's fault (for charging whatever they do for drinks).
The only person whose fault it is that she got raped is the rapist, who consciously chose to attack an inebriated young woman on her own.
 
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steve45 said:
i understand what your saying but was it really worth all this over 20p, the driver was just being awkward because he could, i know the type i used to work with them every day, i hated that attitude, being a **** in that sort of job is so much more effort than being nice friendly and accommodating.
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Deffo not worth it for 20p. But it all really depends on whether or not she was polite when asking the driver
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
By saying that, you imply that she was at fault on some level for getting raped.
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No, I'm not implying that.
Yamahahahahaha said:
The only reason she got raped was because some scumbag attacked her.
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Yes. That is correct.

All I'm saying is there was plenty of things which could have been done to reduce risk.

Just because I'm saying she could have been more street wise, doesn't mean I'm saying it's her fault.

It's not difficult really. People are taught not to walk alone at night (especially drunk at 3AM) from a very young age because these things do happen.

In fact they gave us leaflets stating exactly this at college! It was funny at the time as there was only one girl in our class of about 20, and the teacher was like, "I have to give this to the whole class" while looking at her sarcastically.
 
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Normally I would never give any cash to anyone for anything, because I'm like that :p, but a woman alone at night who just wants to get on a bus only 20p short would have been an exception for me. Though of course no-one can blame the bus driver as it's probably policy not to let anyone on without the correct change.
 
As a Bus driver working for First, the company wide policy is to take on ANY vulnerable passenger female/male/child/OAP with no consideration of charging them a fare! The way they put it across is what if it was you wife? daughter? young son? mother/father?

The Driver in question should be sacked! It IS because of him she was raped, it IS his responsibility (as we the general public are also) to consider public safety, his refusal goes agents every fibre of public respect and decency!

I could never let that happen :mad:
 
BigBoy said:
As a Bus driver working for First, the company wide policy is to take on ANY vulnerable passenger female/male/child/OAP with no consideration of charging them a fare! The way they put it across is what if it was you wife? daughter? young son? mother/father?

The Driver in question should be sacked! It IS because of him she was raped, it IS his responsibility (as we the general public are also) to consider public safety, his refusal goes agents every fibre of public respect and decency!

I could never let that happen :mad:
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Is it a possibility that the driver of that company could be reprimanded fro doing so?

Also, out of interest, how would you distinguish vulnerable from tight?
 
BigBoy said:
As a Bus driver working for First, the company wide policy is to take on ANY vulnerable passenger female/male/child/OAP with no consideration of charging them a fare! The way they put it across is what if it was you wife? daughter? young son? mother/father?

The Driver in question should be sacked! It IS because of him she was raped, it IS his responsibility (as we the general public are also) to consider public safety, his refusal goes agents every fibre of public respect and decency!

I could never let that happen :mad:
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I didnt realise it was the driver that raped the girl. :confused:
 
BigBoy said:
As a Bus driver working for First, the company wide policy is to take on ANY vulnerable passenger female/male/child/OAP with no consideration of charging them a fare! The way they put it across is what if it was you wife? daughter? young son? mother/father?

The Driver in question should be sacked! It IS because of him she was raped, it IS his responsibility (as we the general public are also) to consider public safety, his refusal goes agents every fibre of public respect and decency!

I could never let that happen :mad:
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No :rolleyes:.
 
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