New rules to identify web trolls

Am I alone in thinking a better regulated Internet is a good thing?

This isn't the wild west, even the wild west wasn't really and for something which so many people conduct personal and business relationships on it's just not possible for it to be survival of the fittest. Society doesn't work like that anymore.
 
Telescopi said:
Am I alone in thinking a better regulated Internet is a good thing?
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Yes but then you're a mod who likes to exert 'power' over internet users (like warning me for calling someone an idiot when I did no such thing whilst ignoring the reply where I was explicitly called a muppet....not that I'm bitter about it ;))

But in all seriousness the 'Wild West' was a real place, the internet is virtual so I'm not sure how worthy that comparison is. If a resident didn't like what was happening in the Southern States in the 1800's they had to live with it everyday, people offended by memes or 'trolls' just simply switch their computer off.
 
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Stupid.

I don't think cyber bullying really counts as trolling anyway.

To my mind the classical troll (snicker) is really more about showing people the depths of their own stupidity rather than just being cruel to vulnerable people online.

Am I alone in thinking a better regulated Internet is a good thing?
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Better regulated by who?

Better regulated how?

Who do we trust to do this?

How do we ensure these powers are not used to oppress legitimate freedom of speech?
 
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estebanrey said:
Yes but then you're a mod who likes to exert 'power' over internet users (like warning me for calling someone an idiot when I did no such thing whilst ignoring the reply where I was explicitly called a muppet....not that I'm bitter about it ;))
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Or an employee of an ecommerce company ;) I don't actually think this particular example is worth a hill of beans but the idea that governments should keep out of the Internet entirely is just crazy to me.

And who says I ignored it, you don't see everything and you were rude.
 
Guile said:
The powers that be want to crush the freedom of the internet. They sell it to the masses with something seemingly acceptable as revealing the identity of people who harass the parents of dead children but in reality they want to reveal the identity of anyone who speaks on other certain political issues.
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Bingo.
 
estebanrey said:
But in all seriousness the 'Wild West' was a real place, the internet is virtual so I'm not sure how worthy that comparison is. If a resident didn't like what was happening in the Southern States in the 1800's they had to live with it everyday, people offended by memes or 'trolls' just simply switch their computer off.
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The wild west wasn't really as wild as it's portrayed, not for the most part anyway. And moving away from the example of regulating hurt feelings (which is fairly stupid - but there *are* laws against harassment and these should count on the Internet equally) what about commercial terrorism such as ddos attacks and spam which frankly shouldn't even be technically possible but without pressure from governments is allowed to go unchecked.

I can only imagine how many resources large companies like Amazon put into defending itself from online attacks and that comes out of your pocket in the end.

It's like every boots needing to employ armed guards and dig a moat around the store.
 
RomanNose said:
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Government doesn't understand how the internet works.

It would be far simpler and cheaper to just to tell the victims to log out.
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what rubbish, of course they understand how it works, they have advisors.

Jut because they can't find a 100% working solution doesn't mean they don't know how it works.
Should we ditch all laws, as no law has a 100% conviction rate and all have loop holes and ways around them from being caught.

Telescopi said:
Am I alone in thinking a better regulated Internet is a good thing?

This isn't the wild west, even the wild west wasn't really and for something which so many people conduct personal and business relationships on it's just not possible for it to be survival of the fittest. Society doesn't work like that anymore.
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Nope,
People seem to think that if your online you should be allowed to brake laws, makes no sense.
Can frauders use that same principle, unacceptable to do it at a cash point, but stealing card numbers online is fine?

As to original OP, it's not a published list, trolls won't be identified to all users.
Lots of complaints now but give it a decade or two and people will be used to these ideas.
Seems a bit pointless though.
 
Telescopi said:
The wild west wasn't really as wild as it's portrayed, not for the most part anyway. And moving away from the example of regulating hurt feelings (which is fairly stupid - but there *are* laws against harassment and these should count on the Internet equally) what about commercial terrorism such as ddos attacks and spam which frankly shouldn't even be technically possible but without pressure from governments is allowed to go unchecked.

I can only imagine how many resources large companies like Amazon put into defending itself from online attacks and that comes out of your pocket in the end.

It's like every boots needing to employ armed guards and dig a moat around the store.
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Boots do have security guards though, as do most large shop chains.

And don't feel too bad for Amazon, they've made far more from putting HMV out of business and avoiding tax than anything they pay out for security.
 
I love it how they are using the word troll, when in fact they do not understand what the word troll means.

Troll does not equal bully.
 
Glaucus said:
Nope,
People seem to think that if your online you should be allowed to brake laws, makes no sense.
Can frauders use that same principle, unacceptable to do it at a cash point, but stealing card numbers online is fine?
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I think this is a gross mis-representation of those that support Internet freedom. Just because people have issues with laws that look to curtail free speech doesn't mean they support credit card number swapping.

Besides, in that case it's the use of the credit card which is the crime, not the viewing of it. If we were in a supermarket and I saw your pin being entered would I have broken the law?
 
estebanrey said:
Besides, in that case it's the use of the credit card which is the crime, not the viewing of it. If we were in a supermarket and I saw your pin being entered would I have broken the law?
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It's not the same at all, I'm pretty sure laws cover obtaining information for illegal use.

So seeing someone's pin isn't illegal. Specifically obtaining that pin to use illegally would be, certianlt is online.

Freespeach. I'm sorry few laws have curtailed Freespeach. The biggest law to curtail that not many people have an issue with :(, all the terrorism nonsense acts.
 
Telescopi said:
Am I alone in thinking a better regulated Internet is a good thing?
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Better regulation of public spaces like Facebook and YouTube yes, not so much for other communities like forums which should ideally be self regulating.

I don't see why trolling gets so much love in this thread, it seems disruptive to communities to me?
 
estebanrey said:
Boots do have security guards though, as do most large shop chains.
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They have a guy to stop shoplifting, not a team of crack armed guards and physical defenses to stop daily attacks by gangs. You just expect the authorities in a civilised society to provide the conditions to go about your life and business normally.

Internet shouldn't be different in that regard.

And don't feel too bad for Amazon, they've made far more from putting HMV out of business and avoiding tax than anything they pay out for security.
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Is this like whippy compo? It's okay because insurance firms are evil?

Evil firms don't pay for these things out of their own pockets, they pay for them out of your pockets (you as in the average joe who uses their services).
 
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