E-petition against UK online monitoring law

Moses said:
No, and I'm sure the authorities don't think that merely going on a website can allow them to assume all sorts. The other week, I went on the Mossad website and looked at the recruitment bit - if MI5 saw that, they might be like, "ooo, interesting... *probe probe probe*... oh wait, he's completely Kosher, move along" rather than assuming I'm a sleeper agent, as there's not reason to believe that. In the same way that merely looking at guns on the internet doesn't mean someone's going to be Breivik mk. II.
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Again I'm more meaning people abusing their access, rather than the Big Brother paranoid conspiracy theory tinfoil hattery. :)

I don't mean that going to the Mossad site means you're pro-Israeli as far as MI5 is concerned. I mean that the guy who lives across the road from you might see it and mention to someone in the pub after a few drinks "That guy across the road is into some extreme politics if you know what I mean!" All you did was read the BNP manifesto, check out Ayn Rand fan sites and post on a Nietzsche philosophy board... and before you know it you're a neo-nazi.
 
I never said anything about a totalitarian state, that is silly of you.

I merely implied the delusion as a societal norm.

Either way, i can already see how i can abuse this.

Lets use your idea of what would be suspicious, lets add in the boy who cried wolf, if the police have to continually watch you, then you waste their time and eventually i would imagine they would figure you are doing this a joke, then you have a the freedom of doing as you please.

There's holes in this, but it seems like it would work.
 
Moses said:
Some people will bypass anything. It's not as though we catch 100% of criminals... we probably catch quite a small percentage! That doesn't undermine the existence of the criminal justice system though, does it? Just because it won't catch all, it doesn't mean it won't catch many, no?
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See edit, it will catch a lot of the criminals but not many terrorists.
Government claims that it will impact terrorism is stupid, just like the other anti terrorism laws. Which haven't done anything but harass photographers.
All this is going to do is help the police prosecute that kid that stole your phone, won't touch serious crime.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong but this bill does grant access to the content of the communication, just the fact that a communication took place between two parties.
 
That's right, it's been commented on several times in the thread, and I've raised concerns that in some circumstances it could be as bad.
 
Yes they have, but it's far more likely in fact probably certain that they would use a VPN.
Usually terrorists are trained and VPNs would just be standard to them due to this law.
 
OldCoals said:
Correct me if I am wrong but this bill does grant access to the content of the communication, just the fact that a communication took place between two parties.
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That's what I've heard several times today as well, what you've written or read isn't recorded, just the fact you visited a site, emailed someone or sent them a text.

We'll know more in the coming days though, until then I won't touch that petition as frankly I don't see the problem with people knowing that I'm in IRC chatting about how rubbish Tera support is. The only thing criminal there is Tera online support being criminally bad.
 
An alternative to using a proxy is to wear a balaclava whilst you browse Mujaheddin websites..

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Tbh, I'm fine with it.

Let them monitor me.

I'm not guilty, I really don't give a ****.

As long as they only use it in order to try and keep us safe and not to use it to expose people with weird fetishes or something like that, I'm all for it.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Tbh, I'm fine with it.

Let them monitor me.

I'm not guilty, I really don't give a ****.

As long as they only use it in order to try and keep us safe and not to use it to expose people with weird fetishes or something like that, I'm all for it.
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Now why wouldn't you want them to expose people with weird fetishes? :confused: :D
 
Cleeecooo said:
Tbh, I'm fine with it.

Let them monitor me.

I'm not guilty, I really don't give a ****.

As long as they only use it in order to try and keep us safe and not to use it to expose people with weird fetishes or something like that, I'm all for it.
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Who cares about safety, its overrated.

Danger is useful.
 
arknor said:
has an e petition ever acomplished anything?
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Err you do know that they are the same as normal petetions a lot of the time and get sent to no 10.
I am not aware of any changes but the government doesn't really care about petitions anyway.
Pro tip, don't bother with the crappy sites that don't send them off.
 
Halfmad said:
That's what I've heard several times today as well, what you've written or read isn't recorded, just the fact you visited a site, emailed someone or sent them a text.

We'll know more in the coming days though, until then I won't touch that petition as frankly I don't see the problem with people knowing that I'm in IRC chatting about how rubbish Tera support is. The only thing criminal there is Tera online support being criminally bad.
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According to the summary link posted earlier the "communications data" will be available to certain agencies without the need for a warrant or judicial oversight, that is an extension of their current powers.
Access to the content of the communications will require a warrant.

It's not clear exactly how much data is being recorded (you might be surprised how much can be embedded in a URL request), given how much they want to spend on it I'm wondering if they actually intend to capture session data at the same time (to be made available subject to warrant).
 
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