Jimmy Carr overcome by grief

No1newts said:
Westyfield2 said:
Bloke on Sky News about 18:30 last night was talking sense on this TBH, forget who he was though. General gist of what he was saying was to make a 30% flat tax rate (rich, well everyone, will see it as fair so not resent paying & UK will look attractive), close all these stupid loopholes so that everyone gets and pays their 30%, and save money by sacking half of HMRC as now it's a flat tax their job is dead easy.

Government gets more money in as the rich actually pay their tax. Rich don't resent paying their tax as a flat percentage is fair. UK looks attractive so rich/investors don't need to bother doing the whole Monaco/Luxembourg thing. Government saves money as HMRC is way more efficient.
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But we need to punish the successful and the achievers or how can those who don't put any effort into life get any joy?!?!?!?!
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stockhausen :D


30% of Carr's £3.5m salary is £1,050,000... that's still rather a lot more tax to pay than 30% of someone on £30k (£9,000).
 
realBabelfish said:
i guess im just odd that i feel part of a society and im a very generous person. maybe i should be more selfish and cutthroat and be a bit more. '**** you im ok'.

i bet that will make the country a much nicer place.
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so you donate a significant amount of your income to charity? (other than the tax you are forced to pay)

if everyone gave everything to the poor all the money would go to africa / china / <others> once the money is equally distributed and we would all live a very different life...
 
RationalGaze said:
Aren't the problems they are having in Greece due to everyone avoiding paying tax? If we avoid paying tax, where will the money come from to pay for schools, hospitals, roads etc.?
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An excellent point!

Of course, a difference is that the Greek Government probably thought that tax-dodging was immoral and repugnant and legislated to prevent it. They did however, like successive British Governments, then turn a blind eye to the practice :(
 
anticonscience said:
How am I paying more tax because the rich pay next to nothing?

I'm not talking about taxes like VAT etc, I'm talking about the tax on my wages. I pay 20% AFAIK, but I'd be interested to know how you calculate I'm paying more because Mr. Carr only pays 1%.
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really?

if people paid the 68billion in tax they should (that is currently avoided) then i guess we could reduce the tax for everyone.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
The exchequer requires a certain amount of money to spend. If it can't raise that money from X, it has to raise it from Y.

Your 20% rate of tax isn't immutable, you know.
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Sorry I don't understand. As far as I know there are no plans to increase the amount of tax from 20% yet.

realBabelfish said:
really?

if people paid the 68billion in tax they should (that is currently avoided) then i guess we could reduce the tax for everyone.
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Yes really. I am interested to know. You think tax would be reduced if all of that money was recouped by the government?
 
anticonscience said:
Sorry I don't understand. As far as I know there are no plans to increase the amount of tax from 20% yet.
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Of course there isn't. But the implication is that if the government could raise more from Y (the rich), they could reduce the tax burden of X (everyone else).

If the exchequer's spending plans took the form of a pint glass and they have to fill the glass with tax revenue, if they can fill more of the class by taxing Jimmy Carr, they could tax you and everyone like you less in order to fill said glass.

Whether or not they would reduce the tax burden on you in lieu is a separate question entirely.
 
edscdk said:
so you donate a significant amount of your income to charity? (other than the tax you are forced to pay)

if everyone gave everything to the poor all the money would go to africa / china / <others> once the money is equally distributed and we would all live a very different life...
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not any more. i cant afford to be a philanthropist. but then again i dont earn millions.

im not talking about giving all our cash to the poor or sending it to china (they are much better off than us anyway, as a country) but we could afford to maybe subsidise manufacturing and actually create jobs so we didnt have a benefits culture.
 
realBabelfish said:
im not talking about giving all our cash to the poor or sending it to china (they are much better off than us anyway, as a country) but we could afford to maybe subsidise manufacturing and actually create jobs so we didnt have a benefits culture.
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Carr's tours and dvds create jobs in those related industries...
 
These tax schemes are available to anyone and everyone, but only people with lots of money will benefit as they cost a lot to enter/set up, that's why everyone isn't doing it. If they were cost free to set up then every idiot and his dog would be doing it.

I don't see the problem here, other than jealousy of course.

It's morally wrong to do a lot of things, but people still do them and don't end up on the receiving end of a media and political crusade.
 
Someone earning 1 mill and paying 1% would be paying £10k in taxes, more than I do in a year, and I'm going to wager that I make more use of the things the tax is used to pay for than the millionaire does.
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do i get a tax refund then because ive only seen a GP about 10 times in 31 years and ive only ever been in hospital once with a broken arm for a week..
 
grimm said:
These tax schemes are available to anyone and everyone, but only people with lots of money will benefit as they cost a lot to enter/set up, that's why everyone isn't doing it. If they were cost free to set up then every idiot and his dog would be doing it.

I don't see the problem here, other than jealousy of course.

It's morally wrong to do a lot of things, but people still do them and don't end up on the receiving end of a media and political crusade.
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In the large part, you're right. However, any contractor earning perhaps more than £60k a year could do what Carr did with net benefit.

a) Incorporate in Jersey
b) Hire an accountant to manage the company (there are lots)
c) Receive loans from the company
d) The company writes off the loans

It really isn't that expensive to manage.
 
realBabelfish said:
+1

as i said im shocked at how many people on here dont think we live in a society and are basically just selfish gits out for their own.

i would like to think that if i had carr's money, not only would i pay my tax (to help the poor, many of which buy his DVDs) but that i would actually be spending additional money to help people and setup foundations etc.

maybe some of us have a better heart than others. or are just nicer people.

i agree that tax money is often poorly spent but that isnt an excuse for rich people to pay less than the rest.
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Maybe if people had a choice on how there tax was spent things would be different. I loathe the idea that any of my tax goes towards supporting the children of ****less fathers.
 
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