Young players that really need a transfer this season?
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yup, from the bits i've seen at the euro's him/defoe or him and vdv could work well together.
think the McEachran / Gael Kakuta is a bit different as the team seems to be looking to move towards making use of the younger players and think they might well get a chance this season.
but with the pair of them JM has been at chelsea so long i think he would find it hard to leave, having a look around seems Kakuta has signed til 2015 ish so either he's been told he will be getting a chance to break into the team or hes just happy with the money being offered.
Have a read into the EPPP. The Premiership clubs, along with the other 72, now have a limit on how many youth players they're allowed on their books per age group. It's a big limit, but a limit nonetheless.
The loan system works a treat for both loaning and loanee clubs, as well as the players. Look at players like Jermaine Defoe, David Beckham, Frank Lampard... 13 of England's 22 man squad had successful loan spells earlier in their careers - and only 5 of the U21 squad haven't been loaned out. To say the loan system is broken is absolutely wrong. Like I said, if the club I support (and pretty much most others outside of the EPL) don't play the loan player we have to pay his wages... meaning that we have to have the players best interests at heart and it's only a cheap option if we play the player and therefore aid his development.
Kinda agree on Zaha, but the times I went and watched him over at Palace last season his break out/counter play was better than anyone's I've seen at that level. Needs to massively work on his composure, amongst other things, but reckon he could move on in the next 18 months.
Clyne's very good. Woudl suit most EPL defences.
Butterfield's 22, captain of his team and played 100 first team games, so i reckon now is an ideal time to move on. With Newcastle releasing Gutthrie I reckon Butterfield is an ample replacement, and would also play the majority of first team matches if he joined a lowly/mid-table EPL team.
Same with Jordan Rhodes. 180 competitive games by the age of 22 would suggest he's had decent game time already, and I reckon a move to the EPL and a run in the first team would see him start putting them away with moderate ease. He's not got huge amounts of pace, so that won't really develop but playing around better players and against stronger defenders will continue his development I'd say.
He was loaned to us a few years ago prior to joining HTFC and our entire support (so that's about 12 of us) sat there for the back end of the season in awe
He's only got better and better. That game versus Wycombe last year was a perfect example. Had six or seven EPL scouts there to watch him and he put away 5 (?) goals I think.Absolutely not. To suggest this is to display a sever misunderstanding of English League Football, and why our lower leagues are the best lower leagues anywhere in the world!
Could have happened in the summer, but his wages were apparently too high for a transfer and Arsenal wanted us to pay his wages in full while on loan, which of course Moyes didn't want to pay even though we were selling them Arteta who was on £65k or something.
Made an impact?
not sure I agree with that. For every chance he makes he wastes half a dozen, if he manages to get the ball half a dozen times. He goes missing for huge periods at a time expecially in big games. Can't defend or track back for toffee, although that did seem to show signs of change as the season progressed.
My opinion, one trick pony (step overs, onto left foot, shoot) who is as slow as hell. Glad he is not at the Euro's for Englands sake, disappointed he is not for City's sake because he does have talent, just doesn't make the most of it. I find him a really frustrating player.
The guy who sits next to me sarcastically calls him superstar.
I think it would do him good to go to a hard grafting club for a season.
he won't though, like to many of them , make the move for the money and the fact there ego's make them think there better than they are.
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IF Bendtner ends up on loan somewhere **** as a lone striker he'll do well but not score many. Sunderland really did suck for 2/3rds of the season, he did a great job but with no support there is only so much you can do. Sessegnon was flashy and had several good games but most of his work was dead end rubbish with a woeful final ball, most of his goals came from others doing the majority of the good football. Larrson and Bendtner mostly, Mclean had an outstanding month or two but did nothing earlier or later in the season.
If he goes somewhere like Spurs and plays in a 4-4-2 with a striker ahead of him, people will be laughing at Arsenal for letting him go.
Sturridge, he's okay, he's not brilliant nor that young. Lukaku, powerful, only played a few times and showed nothing when he did. Other players given only one two games at least looked competant.
Vela, did great in Spain, hopefully someone buys him and Arsenal stop ruining his career.
A LOT of the others are only randomly rated by the idiotic press over nothing. Chelsea have won titles, they have A kid worth looking at, lets hype him up beyond all belief
Of course, Bendtner and Johnson are 24, Vela is 23, none are going to seriously improve, two of those are underated simply because they've barely been used, Johnson has had massively more appearances and chances than either and utterly failed to impress. His attitude, style, selfishness, predictableness, lack of defensive work rate, being a bit of a girl and having no strength. His pace late in a game to go at a tired defence can work, but people don't pay big money for a guy who may make a different late in a game when you could be 4-0 down. You want someone great who from the start can get you ahead and keep you ahead, far more valuable, Johnson isn't that good.
Giovani, lazy, party animal and proven himself at international level? International level is well below league level football so that doesn't mean anything, it also doesn't mean he can play 38 games a year, nor that he'll put in a performance against the bottom three.
It's about attitude, if a player is unwilling to train well, more interested in getting drunk, thinks he's above playing certain teams, won't play if he's feeling a bit unwell or if his leg hurts a bit, he's useless. Barca and Spurs have all ignored him and branded him a useless pratt, that's all you need to know. He's also by all accounts passed up multiple chances of loans because he see's himself "above" playing for a less good team. Again, attitude, and it's his own fault he isn't playing elsewhere and proving himself.
If he goes somewhere like Spurs and plays in a 4-4-2 with a striker ahead of him, people will be laughing at Arsenal for letting him go.
Sturridge, he's okay, he's not brilliant nor that young. Lukaku, powerful, only played a few times and showed nothing when he did. Other players given only one two games at least looked competant.
Vela, did great in Spain, hopefully someone buys him and Arsenal stop ruining his career.
A LOT of the others are only randomly rated by the idiotic press over nothing. Chelsea have won titles, they have A kid worth looking at, lets hype him up beyond all belief
Of course, Bendtner and Johnson are 24, Vela is 23, none are going to seriously improve, two of those are underated simply because they've barely been used, Johnson has had massively more appearances and chances than either and utterly failed to impress. His attitude, style, selfishness, predictableness, lack of defensive work rate, being a bit of a girl and having no strength. His pace late in a game to go at a tired defence can work, but people don't pay big money for a guy who may make a different late in a game when you could be 4-0 down. You want someone great who from the start can get you ahead and keep you ahead, far more valuable, Johnson isn't that good.
Giovani, lazy, party animal and proven himself at international level? International level is well below league level football so that doesn't mean anything, it also doesn't mean he can play 38 games a year, nor that he'll put in a performance against the bottom three.
It's about attitude, if a player is unwilling to train well, more interested in getting drunk, thinks he's above playing certain teams, won't play if he's feeling a bit unwell or if his leg hurts a bit, he's useless. Barca and Spurs have all ignored him and branded him a useless pratt, that's all you need to know. He's also by all accounts passed up multiple chances of loans because he see's himself "above" playing for a less good team. Again, attitude, and it's his own fault he isn't playing elsewhere and proving himself.
I've only given this a very cursory look so far, it looks to have some interesting ideas but it's really about the academy system, and the principles agreed only take effect from the coming season.
All with one loan season away from the parent club. It may have been OK in the past, but there has been a shift in how loans are being used and that's at the heart of my objection. Perhaps it's because Chelsea are leading the way in this corruption of the system that I've noticed it, and the recent rule change to allow loans between Premier League clubs has made it easier to abuse loans.
Kakuta, Bruma and I think others are going into their fourth season on loan. Does anyone else feel the same way as I do? that this is fundamentally wrong and not how loans were ever intended to be used, nor is it the best interest of players and their best chance of improvement.
Partly I do blame the young players and their parents/agents for being drawn by big money and prioritising that above long term development - though I wouldn't like rules trying to limit salaries at any age, I feel quite strongly that anyone should be able to earn whatever the employer is willing to pay.
How long has this been the case?
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Conversely I'm massively against the EPPP and think it's a definite route to football failure in this country.
If players aren't good enough to get into the first team (Bruma being a prime example) what's wrong with Chelsea loaning the player out "putting them in the shop window" and obtaining a decent fee for them. The player benefits from first team football, the owning club benefit from the fee, the initial club (Feyenord in Bruma's case) will likely have some form of sell-on fee and the new team benefits from having a player playing close to his full potential.
Youth players/English players are frequently kept on at EPL clubs, despite not having the required ability to be a first team regular, as it pads out the amount of players allowed in the EPL or European competition squad. For example, Shaluem Logan joined us last season in League One, whereas the prior season he'd been in Man City's EPL squad as a non-youth player.
Also, I don't see the issue with players going out for one loan period or multiple. If they have been on multiple loans at clubs/in leagues which increase in ability per year (i.e. League 2 one season, League 1 the next season, etc.) then surely that's a good thing. If, however, they've been loaned out to the same level for a number of seasons then that would indicate their potential has stagnated and they'd be better off elsewhere, but at the same time the owning club still needs to make sure it maximises their ability to obtain the largest fee/best deal possible.
To be fair, you do have a point in Chelsea loaning a large amount of their players out multiple times, however that's in stark contrast to the system that Brendan Rodgers ran at Chelsea whereby he rarely let a young player leave on loan due to him wanting to win the reserve/youth leagues at all cost... including jeopardising his players ability to improve!
With regards to the covering of wages, it's been going on for years. If the club don't give the loaned player game time then they have to pay wages, therefore it's in both club's interests for the player to play. Simple as that. Some certain people in the game are a bit more money-hungry, and it's widely believed that Daniel Levy always asks for the club to cover wages even if they play!
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Adam Johnson! He's so much better than a bit part player, a loan spell at a mid table team for a year might do him good.
Victor Moses - I know a lot of critics love him and see him as the next big thing, I don't really see it to be honest, but maybe if he was in a better team this would be more obvious. I think Chelsea are trying to sign him, not sure if he's in Mata's class though!
Victor Moses - I know a lot of critics love him and see him as the next big thing, I don't really see it to be honest, but maybe if he was in a better team this would be more obvious. I think Chelsea are trying to sign him, not sure if he's in Mata's class though!
He'll either be first choice at brum next year or the challenge for kelvin at saints, I'd like to sign him if he's not over priced as we should be able to give him the game time
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This along with James Milner.
Milner has shown that being one of the best young English players and a transfer to the Sheiks at Middle Eastlands really does stop your development in it's tracks.
Both really good talents but I really do believe they would do better for themselves (footballing wise) away from City
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Think Adam Johnson would do well at Liverpool but the resident Scousers may disagree.
Well in his 5 or six appearances for Citeh he managed more shots, more shots on and more crosses than Stewart 'Well if Ashley Young can get in the England team, then surely he can' Downing did all last season. You can't argue with facts
Anderson needs a move IMO, he seems to have stagnated the past couple of years and with MU having signed Scholes and Kagawa this year, plus Cleverley and potentially Fletcher returning from injury I think appearances will be few and far between for him @ OT.
Probably ought to classify what "young" means for this thread, I've been listing players U25, PFA definition is U24 at the start of the season, some people might think it should be even younger.
Probably ought to classify what "young" means for this thread, I've been listing players U25, PFA definition is U24 at the start of the season, some people might think it should be even younger.
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