.@ukhomeoffice: Stop the extradition of Richard O'Dwyer to the USA #SaveRichard

dbmzk1 said:
But he HAS committed a crime in the US as he has taken US material and ripped it off. So what's the big deal?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time :)
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He didn't break uk law, this is the problem.
Lets say the US made a strange law, what would you say if they started extrading uk citizens? Really you shouldn't be extradited unless you break uk law as well, also his sentence is going to be very different if he was trialed in the uk.
He hasn't even been to America!
 
dbmzk1 said:
But he HAS committed a crime in the US as he has taken US material and ripped it off. So what's the big deal?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time :)
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When exactly was he in the US to commit this crime? I don't see why US jurisdiction should cross the Atlantic. If he committed a crime under UK law, try him here. If not we should be telling the Americans to do one.
 
bam0 said:
When exactly was he in the US to commit this crime? I don't see why US jurisdiction should cross the Atlantic. If he committed a crime under UK law, try him here. If not we should be telling the Americans to do one.
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He has stolen American content and re-distributed it.
 
RomanNose said:
He didn't break uk law, this is the problem.
Lets say the US made a strange law, what would you say if they started extrading uk citizens? Really you shouldn't be extradited unless you break uk law as well, also his sentence is going to be very different if he was trialed in the uk.
He hasn't even been to America!
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Just because he hasn't actually been to America, it doesn't change that fact that he has stole content from there.
 
TrUz said:
Stolen, copied... it makes no difference. He re-distributed content which didn't belong to him and he had no right to do so.
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He didn't host the content, its the same as what google does.
Arguably under us law, google are the biggest pirates. There are good reasons why its not illegal in the UK as it disrupts the internet massively.
 
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matt_fsr said:
Driving over 55mph is a crime in the USA.

Perhaps they should extradite you for every time you've driven at 70mph?

Do you see yet?
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The thing is, you cannot break the US speed limit over the internet, you can however make money over the internet by proliferating the distribution of pirated US TV shows...
 
dbmzk1 said:
But he HAS committed a crime in the US as he has taken US material and ripped it off. So what's the big deal?

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time :)
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Sorry, which crime has he committed? He has allegedly committed copyright infringement according to the laws/law enforcement of another country.

I assume you would be fine with being extradited to another continent because someone suspects you have broken one of their laws? Are you now expected to not only know and abide by your own country's laws but also USA's and any number of other countries that we have extradition agreements with?
 
RomanNose said:
He didn't host the content, its the same as what google does.
Arguably under us law, google are the biggest pirates.
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Just because a drug dealer doesn't manufacture the drugs, he's still committing a crime by distributing the drugs.
 
TrUz said:
Stolen, copied... it makes no difference. He re-distributed content which didn't belong to him and he had no right to do so.
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It makes a pretty significant difference.

One deprives another of a possession.

Another duplicates the original.

If you can't even get the basic terminology correct how can you expect us to take what you have to say seriously?.
 
TrUz said:
Just because a drug dealer doesn't manufacture the drugs, he's still committing a crime by distributing the drugs.
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So what about couriers, would you arrest dhl? What about ISPs they distribute copyrighted files as well
Making linking illegal has massive consequences,if I linked to google would I be breaking the law?
We have safe harbor for a reason, the internet wouldn't survive without it as everyone would be breaking the lw.
If everyone was responsible for traffic that parses through their systems then say goodbye to the internet. No filehosts, no social networks, nothing, not even forums.
 
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TrUz said:
Just because a drug dealer doesn't manufacture the drugs, he's still committing a crime by distributing the drugs.
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But the guy in this case didn't distribute any copyrighted material. It was just links to where you could get it.
 
Google doesn't deliberately link to copyrighted material. It's not setup specifically for that reason. Big difference.
 
RomanNose said:
So what about couriers, would you arrest dhl? What about ISPs they distribute copyrighted files as well
Making linking illegal has massive consequences,if I linked to google would I be breaking the law?
We have safe harbor for a reason, the internet wouldn't survive without it as everyone would be breaking the lw.
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Depends if the couriers knew what they were distributing... Hardly fair arresting a courier if he has no idea what's in a package. He's paid to deliver a package to a destination.

If on the other hand they knew they were distributing drugs then they should absolutely be arrested.

Google doesn't index specific items, it's not the same.
 
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