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The amount of proprietary tech on an F1 car outstrips that in Indy/Nascar by a huge margin though, which is why the teams are so secretive.
European Grand Prix 2012, Valencia - Race 8/20
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True, but they could still be a bit more open. With all the telemetry going on I'm fairly sure Vettel knew exactly why his car was broken when he did the TV interviews, yet he still claimed to not know.
I really like the Nascar visibility, especially in pit stops. "Driver X is coming in, he's complaining of a loose rear end in turns 2 and 4, so the team are applying a front tyre pressure adjustment, a turn of roll bar, and removing a spring rubber from the inside rear. Fill up with Sunoco fuel and they plan to go the distance after this stop".
F1 lacks that.
Yeah would think that was obvious, anyway Red Bull said was alternator pretty much right after the race but until they get the car back they can't be all that sure.
LOL yeah cause they do lots of work in a F1 stop, if you listen to the pit lane channel you will hear drivers asking for extra/less wing or different tyre pressures which is pretty much all they can do in a F1 stop.
Are the people saying that Hamilton should have let Maldonado through the same ones that were saying that Raikkonen should have pitted and taken second instead of keeping going for the win in the 2005 European GP, and then suffering a suspension faulire?
I think so...
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I think so...
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still think LH should have given Maldonado enough space for that short straight instead of forcing him off in the first place.
If you are being honest with yourself, LH's tyres were shot, Maldonado and I reckon a few others just behind - would have sailed past LH in the remaining lap or so until the chequered flag (even given that its Valencia and hard to overtake)
The interesting thing though is the relatively minimal penalty Maldonado recieved from the stewards - yes he and the team lost a point in the World Championship, but considering the stewards could have given him a 5 or 10 place grid drop at the next race (Silverstone?) its not that big a deal.
Does this imply that the stewards think there was mitigating circumstances and LH was partly in the wrong in the first place?
Tyre drop -off / "the cliff" was nowhere near as severe in those days
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When Pastor was gaining on Lewis I knew that they would come together and that Lewis wouldn't yield.
With that said, Lewis didn't do too much wrong, the only thing he did wrong was not letting Pastor by and not contemplating the risk that Pastor would be liable to do something like that, as has been seen on numerous occasions before.
Lewis seems to lack the ability to understand that a good haul of points is better to have, even if it means having to lose a position, in the long haul.
With that said, Lewis didn't do too much wrong, the only thing he did wrong was not letting Pastor by and not contemplating the risk that Pastor would be liable to do something like that, as has been seen on numerous occasions before.
Lewis seems to lack the ability to understand that a good haul of points is better to have, even if it means having to lose a position, in the long haul.
We've seen from drivers before where they blatantly pull aside to one side of the track and let faster drivers through with the likes of Vettel, Di Resta, Button, Alonso, Webber etc. but I've never seen Lewis let another driver pass him when in the same situation. He's too proud of himself and of retaining his position. If he learned how to swallow his pride he would be in a much better championship position imo.
Williams didn't lose any points. Senna to0k 10th.
You obviously don't remember the incident. It had nothing to do with the tyre drop off.
I'm not. The team seem like arrogant crybabies as soon as they aren't beating everybody
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That's rubbish. The only time you'll see people actively pulling off the racing line is when/if they are being lapped. What you will quite often see on the other hand is drivers who are slower due to tyre wear not actively defending when somebody tries to pass them. Hamilton himself had done that earlier in the race. Letting somebody through in that situation means dropping your defences, not actively screwing yourself to aid the other guy.
Grosjean and Raikonnen had to work to get past Hamilton, but did it in the end. Does Hamilton simply have to yield to Maldonado because he knows the guy is a liability and will probably drive into him if he doesn't give him the width of an aircraft carrier to get by? Hamilton is not even 1% at fault in this incident. If he was you can be sure he would have been penalised, or Maldonado would have been let off. If Maldonado had waited he would probably have been able to safely pass under DRS within a matter of seconds.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...uld-not-be-driving-at-the-canadian-grand-prix
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18219662
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stewards-considered-excluding-maldonado-mansell/
These articles all kind of fell under the radar a few weeks back. Probably because what prompted them was only Perez, not a WDC contender. But it feels right to highlight them now.
I think the FIA is aware of the situation with this driver but unless he does something even more blatant and more dangerous then the FIA will just turn a blind eye. Unfortunately the guy is propping up a whole a team with his dirty Venezuelan money.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18219662
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stewards-considered-excluding-maldonado-mansell/
These articles all kind of fell under the radar a few weeks back. Probably because what prompted them was only Perez, not a WDC contender. But it feels right to highlight them now.
I think the FIA is aware of the situation with this driver but unless he does something even more blatant and more dangerous then the FIA will just turn a blind eye. Unfortunately the guy is propping up a whole a team with his dirty Venezuelan money.
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How do you think the marshalls would clear the debris from the track without the SC?
Hamilton wasn't at fault in the incident, but part of being a good racing driver is knowing where your battles lie and being aware of your situation.
Clearly Lewis had only one thought in his head 'I will not yield this place'.
And look where that got him.
Previously I've linked to quotes from Lewis stating that consistent finishes and points are key to the championship, but obviously he's bored of that now and has reverted to his natural style.
Of course he doesn't have to. But by taking the smart, considered approach he could have and would (probably) have walked away with 4th place. There's no way Lewis could have held Maldonado at bay for the remainder of the race.
Modern F1 isn't just about how fast you can lap, it's about (like it or not), strategy, tyres, fuel and the long game. He gambled this time and lost.
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Just watched it myself, Lewis held the racing line as is his right, That **** had all the run off in the world to yield and come back at Lewis... But instead just drove into him? Come on guys.
Guy should have his super licence taken away from him, It's not the first or even the second time he has done something like this, It's the 3rd strike.
I want to watch drivers defend their place and not just give it up at the drop of the hat it's what racing is.
Guy should have his super licence taken away from him, It's not the first or even the second time he has done something like this, It's the 3rd strike.
I want to watch drivers defend their place and not just give it up at the drop of the hat it's what racing is.
Really?
When its put together in a single video like that, it doesn't reflect well on him.