*** The 2012 Gym Rats Thread ***

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I don't like the idea of constricting my lungs when lifting. Breathing is a massively important part of a lift, and to roll your back over like that will constrict it.

That and snap ya spine :p
 
I wish him luck with his hump back goals of 2012.


On a serious note, his lumbar appears to be relatively straight, but that's a crazy amount of t-spine flexion.
 
Chris1712 said:
Another rounded upper back lifter, intredasting.


Throws more wood on the fire :p.
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Its how i lift too, peeps on here seem to have big problem with it but i dont see the issue, if your shoulders are pinned back at the start then they arent engaged during the lift they only perform a structural support role. I personally think this will increase the point load on the lower back.

But hey guys who lift 300lbs love telling guys who lift 500 lbs that they are doing it wrong dont they?
 
And I'm back.


Squats:
60x5
80x5
100x3
120x2
130x1
140x1x3

Pushdowns:
50x10x2
60x10x2

T-Bar Rows:
35x10x3

Barbell Curls:
30x10x3
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
Its how i lift too, peeps on here seem to have big problem with it but i dont see the issue, if your shoulders are pinned back at the start then they arent engaged during the lift they only perform a structural support role. I personally think this will increase the point load on the lower back.

But hey guys who lift 300lbs love telling guys who lift 500 lbs that they are doing it wrong dont they?
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Just because someone lifts less, it doesn't make them any less of an authority to speak about form., Many coaches, world class olympic trainers don't all have the ability or talent of those they train. Remember that.

It's about sharing and ensuring best practices are shared - it's almost a duty of care amongst powerlifters/weightlifters/vanity lifters (bodybuilders ;)). If we don't ensure we help other people we're being disingenuous to the sport and to those around us.

Striving to enhance technique is FAR more important than the weight you lift IMO.

I'd rather be able to lift a lower weight, perfectly several times, than a heavy weight once badly. I get a lot more out of my exercise if I do it properly - and if it means I've had to take a step back, well so be it. I honestly feel stronger than I have ever been despite not being able to shift the same numbers (I'm only 10% down really).

As said, that weight is heavy, and if he doesn't have the strength or capacity to hold that weight any better, considering the rest of his form is reasonable, other than his lock out which is atrocious, his back will round - however, as someone who is supposed to be a "leader" one should lead by example and lift correctly, rather than "just get that ****ing bar up" mentality. Sure in a comp, it's different you're not coaching or sharing best practices - however one would hope that keeping the core principles of lifting that form would be reasonably good throughout - I accept at 1rM or as you get towards it there will be that 10degree variance which you must accept.
 
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WB SMed :)

Last day of diet tomorrow. Can't hack it anymore, so booked the day off work. 1 more hour, then gym for abs and cardio, then home to cry myself to sleep.
 
I think this bit summarises quite nicely though:
So if back health is your primary goal, your needs are best served staying in neutral when you pull heavy loads. End of that particular discussion.
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That, to me, reads as: "If you don't mind taking a risk, and want to lift big, then lift with rounded back."

Likewise with the closing paragraph:
Most people are stronger when rounding their back during deadlifts. This is natural and shouldn't be thought of as "dysfunctional." You can choose to stick with lighter loads and deadlift in neutral spinal position, or to roll the dice and allow for some rounding. If you go this route, make sure you build up the awareness and discipline to avoid fully flexing the lumbar spine while lifting heavy loads.
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Again with: "roll the dice". :)
 
Haven't been lifting, or keeping up with the lifting world much these past 6 weeks.

For those watching Tom Martin, he's making his comeback it seems. He's put on some weight and his raw total is now close to his previous equipped total. Beast.




 
Morba said:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/a_strong_case_for_the_rounded_back_deadlift

Worth a moments reading.
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Yeah but:

Bret may be a clever guy but I would rather cut a foot off than have my form look like that.

The article is interesting as it explores some very good points but I can't can't say that it's ok to do it that way. If you ask me it should be all flat back until a person has lifted long enough and has a good enough basis of knowledge to come to their own sensible conclusion. We also can't ignore the simple fact that having a loaded spine in either flexion or extension will cause damage.
 
Morba said:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/a_strong_case_for_the_rounded_back_deadlift

Worth a moments reading.
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I agree with most of those points, as long as we pay attention the the caveats.

1) If your back progressively bends as you lift, you've got problems.

2) If you literally can't maintain neutral spine with lighter loads, you've got problems. IMO everyone should learn how to deadlift with a neutral spine up to around 2xbodyweight.

3) Lifting with a rounded back is a risk.
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Yeah but:

Bret may be a clever guy but I would rather cut a foot off than have my form look like that.

The article is interesting as it explores some very good points but I can't can't say that it's ok to do it that way. If you ask me it should be all flat back until a person has lifted long enough and has a good enough basis of knowledge to come to their own sensible conclusion. We also can't ignore the simple fact that having a loaded spine in either flexion or extension will cause damage.
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Yes but I'd also cut my foot off to deadlift like Konstantinovs :D

SMed said:
I don't think I curled at all for the first 2 or so years of lifting, yet I have squatted literally every single time I've been in the gym. I looked ridiculous, but it's now sorting itself out. :p
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I've been smashing arm work recently too. It's actually starting to feel less gay, which possibly means I'm more gay...

Also, I hate/want to make babies with Tom Martin (possibly related to the above). If he stays out of Snap City he should be good for a 300kg squat this year.
 
You can hardly say Konstaninovs' looks like that though, it's just so messy :(. I'd love to be able to pull like him as well, I'm not disputing what's better really I just feel like they have their own places in lifting.
 
Freefaller said:
Just because someone lifts less, it doesn't make them any less of an authority to speak about form., Many coaches, world class olympic trainers don't all have the ability or talent of those they train. Remember that.
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point acknowledged, i had not realised how many world class strength coaches posted on the OCUK forums ;)

Ahh just being facetious its better that beginners learn good safe form. I just dislike the 'there is only one way' mentality that small communities like this generate, look at the sheer number of members stuck on 150kg deadlifts, probably because they are all so terrified of breaks in form that they may never get further.
 
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