his dad will have that in loose change.
British Grand Prix 2012, Silverstone - Race 9/20
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his dad will have that in loose change.
Is that it?! Really needs shouting it properly as he's been in an unusually high number of incidents this year.
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That is Pastor Maldonado's second reprimand of the season. That means if he gets one more this year he will get a 10 place grid penalty.
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So Maldonado needs to cause 3 crashes to get a 10 place grid penalty, while Vergne gets it with 1?
Way to be consistent, FIA
So Maldonado needs to cause 3 crashes to get a 10 place grid penalty, while Vergne gets it with 1?
Way to be consistent, FIA
Did anyone else hear the Jake, Eddie & DC mentioning that FIA meant Ferrari International Assistance.
About time.
So Maldonado needs to cause 3 crashes to get a 10 place grid penalty, while Vergne gets it with 1?
Way to be consistent, FIA
Vergne's one was out and out stupid though, beyond a lack of common sense and showing zero awareness for those around him, he didn't even need to push him like that.
FIA though should have been more angry with Maldonado at Monaco instead.
Ok then, what about whichever Sauber it was that hit Massa in Valencia? On the inside of a corner, got a bit loose, slid into the side of Massa. Pretty much the same as Maldonado today, but that was a 5 place penalty.
The FIA appear to be making a deliberate attempt to be lenient on Maldonado.
The FIA appear to be making a deliberate attempt to be lenient on Maldonado.
Kobayashi knocked himself out of the race, Massa finished the race, albeit a lap down.
That was Kobayashi's fault after Massa ran wide and Kobayashi stuck his nose up the inside. Well, according to the stewards it was Kobayashi's fault.
It is a mess, but it's because the FIA have basically 2 sets of rules, one set of things you cannot do and a set of you shouldn't do. The cannot do's get instant grid penalties because you can clearly point the finger for dangerous driving, when todays shouldn't do's get fines and a shouting at in the drivers briefing.
The FIA don't have the mandate (any more) to to be so harsh on normal on the track driving standards, if someone wants to drive like an idiot (Maldonardo today) ultimately they can because there isn't a rule saying "don't squeeze someone out mid corner in an overtake" (they like specific wording).
Sort of hope they write a proper set of rules covering the etiquette bit of F1 as we have to put up with phases of drivers failing miserably to have the class to hold on to a position by leaving just enough room but not too much for the attacking driver to do anything.
The FIA don't have the mandate (any more) to to be so harsh on normal on the track driving standards, if someone wants to drive like an idiot (Maldonardo today) ultimately they can because there isn't a rule saying "don't squeeze someone out mid corner in an overtake" (they like specific wording).
Sort of hope they write a proper set of rules covering the etiquette bit of F1 as we have to put up with phases of drivers failing miserably to have the class to hold on to a position by leaving just enough room but not too much for the attacking driver to do anything.
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So Maldonado needs to cause 3 crashes to get a 10 place grid penalty, while Vergne gets it with 1?
Way to be consistent, FIA
Crazy, but I don't expect anything else from the FIA these days!
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I think Derek Warwick said the FIA know the penalties are inconsistent and they're going to re-evaluate them all (presumably for 2013).
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No idea with Mclaren, were they just so heavily set up for a wet race that it cost them all pace, or where they just slow?
In terms of real race pace, when you do one long stint, then a ridiculously short stint on softs, which forces you into another long stint on hard's, its ridiculous.
They've got to stop reacting to everyone else and stick to a freaking strategy, they did at Canada and Alonso and Vettel lost out by not sticking to their strategy, to do a one stop both HAD to go much longer but instead reacted to Hamilton's stop and meant their second stint was ludicrously long.
The problem is if you think you're doing 15 laps on softs, then you pick a time those softs can do for 13-14 laps effectively, call it a 1:37 for the sake of having a number. If you plan to do 10 laps, you might be able to do 1:36 a lap, if you're doing 23 laps on the hard tyre as he was forced to, you might have to do 1:39 a lap, while if you were only doing 18 laps, you could do 1:37's, its about not wearing the tyres out, the longer you go really the slower you have to go to not hit the cliff.
So what is the point of bringing someone in 4-5 laps early from the soft stint, he was saving laps on the softs, so he never fully used the soft tyres he had, and he went to long on the hards so couldn't fully use them.
Either go out and burn the soft tyres and jump in whenever they give out, or go longer till the pace goes then you can do a faster and shorter final stint.
The worst thing you can do in F1 at the moment is stick to a pace for a specific length stint, then switch strategy. 1 second faster per lap for each lap on the softs with a shorter stint and being 10 seconds further ahead, would have put him in a great position at the end, or likewise, 5 laps longer on the softs and 18 fast laps instead of 23 slow laps on the hard tyre. Hamilton ended up on basically the oldest tyres with the slowest car of everyone around him for no reason at all, after a strong first stint that went longer than anyone else which left him in an extremely strong position to do a shorter/faster stint at the end than really anyone else and Mclown threw it away completely.
Mclaren are retarded, Maldonado is simple a dangerous driver(according to Perev he basically weaved up the straight, the contact may or may not have been avoidable, unlike the Hamilton incident last weekend we weren't talking about a car with no tyre's left nor a very sharp corner. Alonso was a bit unlucky, though again I think he went a little to short on his stints which left him in a weaker position than he needed to be.
Last few seasons race position was EVERYTHING, tyres lasted better and getting race position was immensely important, this season freshest/best tyres at the end has a monumental advantage, do not pit early for some perceived on track advantage, if you start a stint with a pace set and a length, you have to do that length or you're screwing yourself.
Anyway, did anyone else realise Grosjean tagged the force india basically straight away, yet Brundle managed to realise 40 laps later, on the ball as usual
In terms of real race pace, when you do one long stint, then a ridiculously short stint on softs, which forces you into another long stint on hard's, its ridiculous.
They've got to stop reacting to everyone else and stick to a freaking strategy, they did at Canada and Alonso and Vettel lost out by not sticking to their strategy, to do a one stop both HAD to go much longer but instead reacted to Hamilton's stop and meant their second stint was ludicrously long.
The problem is if you think you're doing 15 laps on softs, then you pick a time those softs can do for 13-14 laps effectively, call it a 1:37 for the sake of having a number. If you plan to do 10 laps, you might be able to do 1:36 a lap, if you're doing 23 laps on the hard tyre as he was forced to, you might have to do 1:39 a lap, while if you were only doing 18 laps, you could do 1:37's, its about not wearing the tyres out, the longer you go really the slower you have to go to not hit the cliff.
So what is the point of bringing someone in 4-5 laps early from the soft stint, he was saving laps on the softs, so he never fully used the soft tyres he had, and he went to long on the hards so couldn't fully use them.
Either go out and burn the soft tyres and jump in whenever they give out, or go longer till the pace goes then you can do a faster and shorter final stint.
The worst thing you can do in F1 at the moment is stick to a pace for a specific length stint, then switch strategy. 1 second faster per lap for each lap on the softs with a shorter stint and being 10 seconds further ahead, would have put him in a great position at the end, or likewise, 5 laps longer on the softs and 18 fast laps instead of 23 slow laps on the hard tyre. Hamilton ended up on basically the oldest tyres with the slowest car of everyone around him for no reason at all, after a strong first stint that went longer than anyone else which left him in an extremely strong position to do a shorter/faster stint at the end than really anyone else and Mclown threw it away completely.
Mclaren are retarded, Maldonado is simple a dangerous driver(according to Perev he basically weaved up the straight, the contact may or may not have been avoidable, unlike the Hamilton incident last weekend we weren't talking about a car with no tyre's left nor a very sharp corner. Alonso was a bit unlucky, though again I think he went a little to short on his stints which left him in a weaker position than he needed to be.
Last few seasons race position was EVERYTHING, tyres lasted better and getting race position was immensely important, this season freshest/best tyres at the end has a monumental advantage, do not pit early for some perceived on track advantage, if you start a stint with a pace set and a length, you have to do that length or you're screwing yourself.
Anyway, did anyone else realise Grosjean tagged the force india basically straight away, yet Brundle managed to realise 40 laps later, on the ball as usual
hamilton couldnt of got much higher up, the other cars are just faster right now.
even on older tires the lotus were doing half a second a lap faster in the final stint, even schui hunted down hamilton at half a second+ a lap in the final stages.
at the start of the race alonso on the same tires as hamilton was 0.3 - 0.5 a lap faster.
even on older tires the lotus were doing half a second a lap faster in the final stint, even schui hunted down hamilton at half a second+ a lap in the final stages.
at the start of the race alonso on the same tires as hamilton was 0.3 - 0.5 a lap faster.
It is a shambles to be honest.
Hamilton gets punted to the back of the grid for a mistake the team made, yet make contact with other cars and the punishment ranges from a fine to a 10 grid place drop.
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Anyone with half a brain could work this out (although I did wonder if the FIA had identified this problem) - hopefully they actually do something about it.
