British Grand Prix 2012, Silverstone - Race 9/20

Gord u must have been sitting behind me:p
I was k243 farm curve.
My best shot of the day on friday:)
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Difficult weekend for Mclaren and Whitmarsh eh. He just doesn't come across as the right guy for the job, he does not inspire confidence. Maybe it's his eyes....

In all of this, I do sincerely hope Lewis gets the opportunity to move away from Mclaren to RBR or Ferrari. I believe he will be a better driver for it in the long term, more "worldly" rather than remain cocooned in the Mclaren style.

Whitmarsh has been out saying he is confident Lewis will sign, but Lewis is also rumoured to have been irritated by the constant poor performance of Mclaren this year. Could be press *******, but perhaps cracks are starting to form (wishful thinking maybe..)

Long way to go yet, but Mclaren had better hope their upgrades actually work for Hockenheim or they are just going to look like midtable runners, battling with Sauber and Williams!

Please fully star swearwords.
 
I'm still not convinced that Red Bull are going to be a long term contender at the top. If Lewis thinks the same then he could be shooting himself in the foot going there. If you look at the long term positions of the teams then McLaren and Ferrari are the ones most likely to remain at the front, and I'm fairly certain Ferrari want Vettel.

For the moment I think RBR would be a good move for him, but it may fall down in a few years when he finds himself tied into a team dropping back down the grid. Maybe if he can negotiate a 2 year deal or something?

One thing is for sure though, I cannot see him signing another 5 year McLaren deal like they are pushing for.
 
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lol bernie thinks msc could race for another 10 years

no doubt msc is driving well right now and imo much better than nico this season even if the points dont show it but i doubt hes got much more than 1-3 years tops left in him.

i dont see the point of him staying in the sport if its with mercedes though they cant build a car capable of mounting a challenge for the title..

imo msc should goto ferrari or rbr as a #2 and collect some easy wins , hes got enough titles anyway i would love to see him hit 100 race wins before he retires again and hes not likely to do that with merc
 
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If mclaren don't get the car sorted soon and Hamilton can't fight for the championship he will be off at the end of the year.

Lotus and possible sauber are ahead of mclaren now. It was lucky that Perez got taken out else he would have passed Hamilton too.
 
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lol bernie thinks msc could race for another 10 years

no doubt msc is driving well right now and imo much better than nico this season even if the points dont show it but i doubt hes got much more than 1-3 years tops left in him.

i dont see the point of him staying in the sport if its with mercedes though they cant build a car capable of mounting a challenge for the title..

imo msc should goto ferrari or rbr as a #2 and collect some easy wins , hes got enough titles anyway i would love to see him hit 100 race wins before he retires again and hes not likely to do that with merc

Schumacher should retire. He's had his day. Staying any further will just tarnish his record.
 
Gord u must have been sitting behind me:p
I was k243 farm curve.
Indeed I was, Q250! Top row, right in-front of the massive Hamilton flag. I had a huge bright green coat.
Lol. Some epic panning shots if F1 cars doing almost 200mph, but you cut the front off the driver parade truck doing 30mph :D
I went for the Jensen zoom. Apparently I cut out Lewis, didn't seem him on the truck!
 
I have a theory. McLaren were the first to get the ducted exhaust things working and it gives a fairly significant advantage. Now everyone has got them the advantage is gone so they have fallen back.

I think it's more likely that McLaren started well as they used a more conservative car which they understood fairly well. However they quickly realised that they had missed a trick and copied the high monocoque that other teams have been using which meant they probably had to go back and rework a lot of the car just to get to where other teams were at the start of the season.
 
I think it's more likely that McLaren started well as they used a more conservative car which they understood fairly well. However they quickly realised that they had missed a trick and copied the high monocoque that other teams have been using which meant they probably had to go back and rework a lot of the car just to get to where other teams were at the start of the season.

McLaren haven't copied the high monocoque. You'd certainly hear about them having to go through all the crash tests again. It's the same tub that they have used all year.
 
Whatever happens with development its going to be hard for Hamilton to forget, and he shouldn't that in the first 9 races, Hamilton has lost a hell of a lot of points down to ridiculous Mclaren mistakes, pits and strategy.

You can win titles not being the best car on the grid but you HAVE to take the points when you can get them, Hamilton is being prevented from doing so by the team more than the car. He really should be 1st right now which would help and have helped maybe cover for a poor Silverstone and poor next couple races if they don't jump back up time wise.

Vettel was just miles ahead of Hamilton's times, but had there not been a terrible pit stop and really a little more strategy, he'd have really had a very good chance of doing great in that race. He was passed at a pit stop, other cars dropped out, he could and should have picked up so many damn points in that race. In the last two races they've twice sacrificed being 0.5 or 1 seconds slower earlier in the race, to leave him being even slower than that at the end of a race.

but add up all the places lost, the Maldonado incident, where he could have finished at Valencia despite being just no where near Vettel's pace(he could seriously have won the freaking race if he had 2 laps extra on each earlier stintand managed to keep Alonso behind him on track). Mclaren could and maybe should lose Hamilton because, fast or slow car, Hamilton should currently have for me, 30-40 more points than he does now out of the team screwing Hamilton over.

This weekend even Hamilton saw that pitting early to cover for Grosjean was ridiculous, it cost him that stint, it ruined their strategy and ruined the final stint costing him further places.

If the car isn't the best but the driver manages to be competitive, then the team absolutely destroys any chance you really had, you need a new team.
 
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This weekend even Hamilton saw that pitting early to cover for Grosjean was ridiculous, it cost him that stint, it ruined their strategy and ruined the final stint costing him further places.

Just to pick up on this, shouldn't Hamilton have veto'd the call and just stayed out on track?
 
Ultimately, if the driver feels that the strategy recommended by McLaren is poor, he can veto it and pit when he wants.

The problem is that because McLaren have spent so much money on the strategy team, McLaren feel that it is better to rely on the strategy team to come up with the best strategy. In fairness, this is probably the route I would take as well. After all, who can make a better strategy call - a bunch of intelligent people working purely on strategy (and nothing else), with the aid of powerful computers OR a driver who is operating the car, while thinking about strategy in the back of his mind?
 
Ultimately, if the driver feels that the strategy recommended by McLaren is poor, he can veto it and pit when he wants.

The problem is that because McLaren have spent so much money on the strategy team, McLaren feel that it is better to rely on the strategy team to come up with the best strategy. In fairness, this is probably the route I would take as well. After all, who can make a better strategy call - a bunch of intelligent people working purely on strategy (and nothing else), with the aid of powerful computers OR a driver who is operating the car, while thinking about strategy in the back of his mind?

It would only take a spreadsheet macro to calc strategy, I would think the driver would be much better at judging it, all the best drivers know what's going on around them.
 
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