BSc/BA/MSc/MBA after you name...

InKursion said:
Shaypher, your case clearly has exceptional circumstances and you have a lot to say for yourself. Even though the education system is elitist, it's not determinist. There's nothing saying that because you went to a lower-ranked university you are forever doomed, and will never find work. Not at all. If you can communicate your talent and passion to an employer, of course you'll get the job. All we are saying is that there is of course a general form of elitism where employers prefer prestigious universities. It's a brand appeal, if anything. If you can get your foot in the door, though, there's nothing to say an employer won't consider you just because of your university. It doesn't make or break you for life. I know many of my friends that graduated from Oxford in '11 that are still unemployed or doing menial work now.
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I know, it's just that being judged by someone that doesn't know me at all is one of my pet hates. Which is why if I ever get into the position of employer then I would put in as much effort as I could to get to know the job prospects, find the one who is most suitable and hire them.
 
Shayper said:
I know, it's just that being judged by someone that doesn't know me at all is one of my pet hates. Which is why if I ever get into the position of employer then I would put in as much effort as I could to get to know the job prospects, find the one who is most suitable and hire them.
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It's the real world, though. You can't expect every employer to want to know the life-story and biography of every person whose CV lands on their desk on a Monday morning. You'll have to find a way to communicate your talent and passion beyond your university name-tag, it's that simple. For the top graduate jobs that receive literally 1000's of applications every year, do you really expect the human resources department to properly 'vet' every single application? They'll typically have 3-4 stages of selection where they gradually whittle down the numbers... first, based on general things such as degree-class, subject, and university.
 
InKursion said:
It's the real world, though. You can't expect every employer to want to know the life-story and biography of every person whose CV lands on their desk on a Monday morning. You'll have to find a way to communicate your talent and passion beyond your university name-tag, it's that simple. For the top graduate jobs that receive literally 1000's of applications every year, do you really expect the human resources department to properly 'vet' every single application? They'll typically have 3-4 stages of selection where they gradually whittle down the numbers... first, based on general things such as degree-class, subject, and university.
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I know, I just don't think it's right. You are correct though, and thankyou for your understanding :)
 
Shayper said:
I am doing all I can, however, I shall reiterate:
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I'm sorry about that mate, I didn't realise. As Inkursion said, you will no doubt go places with your career if you work hard enough and not going to Oxbridge doesn't mean that you are destined to work in menial jobs for the rest of your life. Just might take you a little more time that's all ( it certainly did with me! )
 
Cagerty said:
I'm sorry about that mate, I didn't realise. As Inkursion said, you will no doubt go places with your career if you work hard enough and not going to Oxbridge doesn't mean that you are destined to work in menial jobs for the rest of your life. Just might take you a little more time that's all ( it certainly did with me! )
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Thankyou :)
 
InKursion said:
What college were you at? I ask because your comments earlier about the LLB and DPhil/PhD's seemed very misguided.
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GASP :eek: could it be that he never went to Oxford at all? Or was it Oxford Brookes? :p

What colour is the boat house at Oxford lol?
 
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Just as many people get complacent and feel entitled after going to top universities, too. It works both ways: people coming from less prestigious backgrounds often have a huge work ethic, and there's certainly something to be said about the 'burn-out' effect after Oxbridge finals. Lots of my friends basically went back home to couch-surf for 3 months after graduating - just as many as those who went straight into a lucrative grad scheme.
 
Shayper said:
Maybe I just want a perfect world, but if I was the employer, I wouldn't care what university they went to. I would choose the person best suited for the job.
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Unfortunately universities are one of the few things most graduate employers will get to look at. Mainly because the courses themselves are not even equal.
One of my friends just graduated with a first in maths from Nottingham Trent, which he no doubt had to work very hard to achieve. But if you were to look at the course content, you would see that at more prestigious universities for Mathematics, the course content and marking standards are simply harder. Courses that he did in his final year are done a year earlier at the likes of Oxbridge/Bath/Warwick.
Also you have to remember you are competing against a different group of students. Most universities have some form of scaling process to decide how many students end up with each degree classification. Obviously the scaling process will be harder if your fellow students got 4A's than if they got a mixture of B's and C's.



Saying all of that, the best way to stand out to a prospective employer is work experience. Everyone applying will have a degree of some sort, but they certainly won't all have work experience.
 
Shayper said:
Maybe I just want a perfect world, but if I was the employer, I wouldn't care what university they went to. I would choose the person best suited for the job.
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Don't we all... I'm slowly learning how things need to be adjusted to live in the world we really do - rather than the one I wish we did :(

Still a long way to go... :)

The problem is... employers only have a very limited way of figuring out if someone is best suited for the job. Educational institution is one of them and it's unavoidable - especially in your choice of career path. I don't want to be a *****, but there is a good chance Greenwich will hold you back, despite many alternate qualifications and experience.

How it affects you - well that's entirely up to you.



No I'm not. I was one of the top 400 students in the country for maths at one point, I worked my arse off as well. Unfortunately I had massive personal problems which led to a complete lack of motivation (accentuated by my Aspergers) during the last year of my A-Levels. After the first year I was predicted an A* in maths, further maths, physics and chemistry; and had offers from Warwick, Bath and Loughborough among others. Because of the personal problems that I had (including a highly abusive stepfather who constantly put me down for being better than him, and constantly told me that no-one likes people who are smart - which led to my lack of any motivation) I didn't get the grades in my second year that I needed. And before you tell me "You should have ignored those", I would like to see anyone deal with the situation I was in and do well.
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An unfortunate situation to be in - no doubt.

How will you communicate that to your potential employer? ..... you can't

So I'm afraid that far as employment goes, that's completely irrelevant.

Due to a family emergency in another country... I missed more than half my A2 year.
 
Back on topic....
I think using the Dr/Professor title is acceptable. But putting BSc after your name is a bit... Odd.
 
Cagerty said:
GASP :eek: could it be that he never went to Oxford at all? Or was it Oxford Brookes? :p
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UCL has the tutorial system as well; and many universities such as Durham and York adopt a collegiate structure, with smaller and more inter-disciplinary focus. So he's not entirely correct about Oxbridge being 'unique'. Lots of other top10 institutions regularly challenge them for undergraduate teaching standards/rankings, and many institutions beat Oxbridge on specific subjects.

People tend to venerate Oxbridge as this God-tier, when really that view is about 150 years old.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
I think you need a refund on that "Top-Class" education of yours, crinkleshoes.


Your words, not mine. So at 24 you've earnt more "than the majority can hope to in their lifetime". £74k gross is way, way less than most earn in a lifetime.
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I have simplified this to make it easier for you to comprehend... and yet you're still *****ing about it... I take it you haven't done better than me, then :rolleyes:

You couldn't care less about the title, but yet show explicit glee at getting a "new title" in one post, make 3 references to getting one in another, and also explicit joy at fitting it into your CV "somehow" (like it isn't already obvious how a Job Title fits into a CV.)
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Again, explained in simple terms - it's the fact they create a new role for me that'll be going in to my CV - not each and every job title I've ever had with the company :rolleyes:

And what bull about having to invent a Job title so they can pay you money. Haha. Are you literally making this up as you go along?
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What industry do you work in?

At this place... when I joined they had a set of positions.

Each position had a salary range attached to it.

For some strange reason, they couldn't just expand those ranges.

So they had to create a new role, with a new range & assign that to me.

Why it's done this way, I have no idea... but I know it's done at other places too... how many, again I have no idea. It's possible you haven't had exposure to this kind of tiered structure.

For all I care, they could've kept me on my first job title and paid me more money - they couldn't do this.
 
InKursion said:
What college were you at? I ask because your comments earlier about the LLB and DPhil/PhD's seemed very misguided.
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The terminology was irrelevant & just plucked out of thin air - I don't even know what LLB means without going to google as it's not something I've ever looked in to. The argument about which title would be applicable to which would be a seperate debate.

The only point I was trying to make is that I would like a bit more differentiation.

The general consensus is doctor = medicinal, that's the only reason I'd pick it that way round - altering that would likely confuse the masses more-so than "other" doctors having their titles changed.

It was just a silly idea :)
 
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