Surface-to-air missiles for the Olympics

Energize said:
The money for these sam installations could no doubt be used to provide more tangible benefits elsewhere, security or otherwise, rather than catering to hypothetical scenarios.
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Costs will be tiny, the rapiers were purchased long ago and the soldiers manning them would be paid either way if they were there or not, every scenario is hypothetical until it happens the only real costs would be the fuel of transporting them.

Also as a side note there is no defence against a nuclear weapon a single ICBM can split into a dozen warheads far out of any interception range, MAD is the only deterrent.
 
dalin80 said:
Costs will be tiny, the rapiers were purchased long ago and the soldiers manning them would be paid either way if they were there or not, every scenario is hypothetical until it happens the only real costs would be the fuel of transporting them.

Also as a side note there is no defence against a nuclear weapon a single ICBM can split into a dozen warheads far out of any interception range, MAD is the only deterrent.
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No MAD is stupidity, it will eventually stop being useful, if a nation in this day and age still thinks it can use its weapons whatsoever, then the species deserves what it gets.

MAD has no effect on terrorists, when (no if's) they get a hold of one.

Frankly this idea of keeping the weapons in the first place due to deterrence is a toxic concept in our lives, should i go out into a shopping mall with shotguns, pistols and ammo bandoleers, just to deter other people from wanting to shoot me, ill get my head blown off by a police sniper no doubt, mainly because i spent all the money on the guns and ammo, instead of buying armour...of course that then becomes redundant because i would not be in the position of getting shot if i had not been aggravating people (Oh yes).

No, the sooner this society stops thinking that its going to get destroyed every minute of the day, allowing virtual tyranny to occur, i think it would be a better world.
 
GAC said:
god so many idiotic and stupid people talking about stuff they dont have a clue about yet again in the media and elsewhere.

do people really think we are the first country to have the idea post 9/11 to setup sam batterys around major events ?
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What is it from the media I need help with? I know what missiles are, I know they're going to be placed in residential areas, and I can understand why people are upset about it. What other facts do I need?

I don't think the idea is practical - nor do I see how any risk is mitigated. I don't buy the 'show of force' or 'deterrent' claims.

So next time you decide to make sweeping statements about your fellow forum members, please try to exercise a little decourm and maybe even allow for opions to be shared.

Thanks :)

Firestar_3x said:
This is why the government should just do stuff, 90% of the population are trying to argue against something they have no idea or understaning about.
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There are places in the world you can move to if you prefer countries which are run that way.
 
Domo said:
There are places in the world you can move to if you prefer countries which are run that way.
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Should the government also consult with us regarding the location and movements of our nuclear sub fleet, make sure it's ok with us?

Some things you can talk and consult the populous about, others you simply can't.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Should the government also consult with us regarding the location and movements of our nuclear sub fleet, make sure it's ok with us?

Some things you can talk and consult the populous about, others you simply can't.
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I totally agree with your first point - but you're describing military strategy which generally has nothing to do with us. However when things have a direct impact on the populous - like placing weapons systems on your roof (how ever it's dressed up, that's pretty much the sum of it) then I think it the public should be consulted or at least be afforded the opportunity to speak out or seek justification.

What is the risk of a hijacked plane crashing into a packed stadium? What's the residual risk post installation of SAMs? Is there a measurable difference? What are the rules of engagement..?
 
Just saying about 911, how would some dude living in a cave be able to hi-jack a plane and place explosives all around the building?
 
Domo said:
Now of course it would be totally impractical to expect airport type security in tube stations, but as a consequence it makes for a relatively easy target.
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Exactly, all this guff about planes was never that likely (but had to be done), but attacks on tubes and the channel tunnel are very likely.
Even the stadium itself is going to get a lot of service traffic.

Sticking a few marines on a ship isn't going to do anything :D

I would be surprised if anything significant did happen, just about every Muslim in the country must be monitored now, it will be very hard for them to plan anything. They are also the worst terrorists ever, muppets blowing themselves up only serves to rid the gene pool.
 
I do wonder if in 1939 certain people did protest about AA guns being placed in various London parks etc, on the grounds they made the area a target for the Luftwaffe.

I suspect they did, and with the same result as in 2012.
 
SO:

A huge security exercise with an almost identical scenario to the actual events of 9/11 being implemented as the 'terrorist attack' took place. (verifiable)

Result: Not long after, Afghanistan invaded.


A huge security exercise with an almost identical scenario to the actual events of 7/7 being implemented as the 'terrorist attack' took place. (verifiable)

Result: Strengthening resolve regarding 'war on terror', including many laws being passed to restrict our freedoms.


A huge security exercise being implemented for Olympic games in London to guard against a possible 'terrorist attack'.

Result: We'll see.


Even the strongest sceptics of 'conspiracy theories' surely have to see that the odds that these things are coincidental are phenomenal.

This is a long video but IMO has some very disturbing information regarding 7/7 ..... take the time to weigh up what's presented and then make your own mind up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kwyzpzEgUWE
 
No, there is no conspiracy. The Olympic events are a massive bullseye for anyone wanting to cause a catastrophic event. This is simply preparation, nothing more, nothing less.

Did you forget your valium this morning?
 
I honestly think the US and UK governments are going to attack the Olympics, like they did in 9/11, with trained jihad patsys and then use it as a justification to invade Iran, Greece and Kuwait.
 
singist said:
SO:

A huge security exercise with an almost identical scenario to the actual events of 9/11 being implemented as the 'terrorist attack' took place. (verifiable)

Result: Not long after, Afghanistan invaded.


A huge security exercise with an almost identical scenario to the actual events of 7/7 being implemented as the 'terrorist attack' took place. (verifiable)

Result: Strengthening resolve regarding 'war on terror', including many laws being passed to restrict our freedoms.


A huge security exercise being implemented for Olympic games in London to guard against a possible 'terrorist attack'.

Result: We'll see.


Even the strongest sceptics of 'conspiracy theories' surely have to see that the odds that these things are coincidental are phenomenal.

This is a long video but IMO has some very disturbing information regarding 7/7 ..... take the time to weigh up what's presented and then make your own mind up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kwyzpzEgUWE
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Or its simply bad people doing bad things?

People that believe in CTs think they're some how more enlightened than rational skeptical people, that they are privileged and everyone else is "a sheep being fed wrong information by the devilish media" :rolleyes:
 
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Efour2 said:
I honestly think the US and UK governments are going to attack the Olympics, like they did in 9/11, with trained jihad patsys and then use it as a justification to invade Iran, Greece and Kuwait.
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Please, for the love of God, let that be a joke :D I'm still half asleep (I start late, finish late) so not sure :p
 
So I found out, these sites won't be protected by the Soldiers themselves, but by Armed Police. lol

Also, one of the buildings that has a SAM on top of it only has Armed Police protecting the very top floor leading to the SAM.

There is no protection or guards at the bottom, also this building has a underground garage with no protection.

When asked about this over some Radio talk show, they didn't see any of this as a problem. lol
 
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