Ex soldier fights to stay in the UK

craptakular · 22 Jul 2012 at 11:53

OldCoals said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-foreign-criminals-we-dont-try-to-deport.html

What a laughable situation.

So, due to continued/past mistakes we should let all criminals stay going forward?

Danthus · 22 Jul 2012 at 11:54

Oxy said:
So, due to continued/past mistakes we should let all criminals stay going forward?

Does the soldier have a criminal record?

Azza · 22 Jul 2012 at 11:57

And there we go, the first person to go on the ignore list.

craptakular · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:00

But disciplinary action for a 2010 fight with a colleague means he is considered to have a criminal record.

If they are the rules then that is that.

bitslice · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:01

He should get a cat, then he'd be allowed to stay.

Cleeecooo · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:02

Azza said:
And there we go, the first person to go on the ignore list.

OldCoals?

Danthus · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:02

Oxy said:
But disciplinary action for a 2010 fight with a colleague means he is considered to have a criminal record.

If they are the rules then that is that.

Think about what you are saying, people with criminal records can stay, but people who are only considered to have a criminal record can not.

craptakular · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:04

I'm saying neither should be.

EdwardTeach · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:05

There is no chance he will actually be deported. HRA, right to family life, kids + wife = no chance.

Gackt · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:09

Oxy said:
So, due to continued/past mistakes we should let all criminals stay going forward?

No, it should be reviewed per-case. Deporting somebody because they had a fight two years ago, is not as justifiable as deporting somebody because of a string of undesirable behaviour.

Cleeecooo · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:10

Gackt said:
No, it should be reviewed per-case. Deporting somebody because they had a fight two years ago, is not as justifiable as deporting somebody because of a string of undesirable behaviour.

This!

Although I think he an appeal, and this system would be expensive and inconsistent :/

MooMoo444 · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:14

Given his 13 years service history, they should overlook this minor thing.

ChrisJSY · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:20

It wouldn't be the first or last time in your life time, the previous or the next where someone has had disciplinary/criminal record for being in a fight they didn't even want to be in or have happen in the first place. When someone attacks you and you can't do much all else except hit back to make the pain stop, in some other peoples eyes unfortunately, they don't care.

Now, I'm not saying this happened specifically here, but it happens, and we don't really know what happened at all, he could have instigated it, he may not have. People fight all the time with lesser punishment.

Meh, whatever, my opinion is that it's laughable it's even an issue, it's a no brainer - HE STAYS!.

4T5 · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:28

I think anybody that serves 9 or more years should get citizenship. If he is kicked out the army for some crime/reason then obviously not no matter how long he has served.

craptakular · 22 Jul 2012 at 12:28

Maybe by deporting people on a first strike bases you prevent crime occurring again and again.

How many times do you allow events to occur?

dowie · 22 Jul 2012 at 13:54

still a L/Cpl after 13 years? wonder how many other fights/incidents he was involved in that didn't involve court marshal...

(for those who don't know - normal career progression is L/Cpl after 3 years then Cpl after another 2or3 then Sgt and so on...)

Having said that, he served 13 years, I don't really care if he was violent - we employed him to be potentially violent he still served 13 years and that in itself makes him more worthy of citizenship than a large chunk of the rest of the UK's population with criminal records.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 22 Jul 2012 at 14:46

MooMoo444 said:
Given his 13 years service history, they should overlook this minor thing.

I think the fact he has a wife and two kids here is a tad more important!

Cleeecooo · 22 Jul 2012 at 14:47

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I think the fact he has a wife and two kids here is a tad more important!

I'd say they're equally important in this particular situation

C.R.A.Z.Y · 22 Jul 2012 at 14:52

Cleeecooo said:
I'd say they're equally important in this particular situation

Possibly if his service was honorable, sadly it wasn't, as far as we know he could have half beaten someone to death? On the other hand it could have been a minor incident?
Lack of details of the severity and circumstances of the punch-up means I personally can't make a judgement either way tbh.

Moley · 22 Jul 2012 at 15:01

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Possibly if his service was honorable, sadly it wasn't, as far as we know he could have half beaten someone to death? On the other hand it could have been a minor incident?
Lack of details of the severity and circumstances of the punch-up means I personally can't make a judgement either way tbh.

"In 2011, his commanding officer said his performance was "of an exceptionally high standard". L/Cpl Baleiwai was rated "an excellent junior NCO [non commissioned officer]" who was "always leading from the front". "He is charismatic, selfless and well-liked," the officer said."

Sounds honorable to me.