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I'm not an expert. I haven't claimed to be. Do you think people shouldn't bother posting unless they've seen every game a player has ever played, or should only discuss transfer related things that are 100% confirmed? That would make things pretty dull.

I wouldn't have said anything had I known you'd get so defensive. It was a general point, not specific to you or Utd possibly signing Lucas Moura. I said similar things to Liverpool supporters last year; fans seem to get more excited about signing foreign players that they've seen little to nothing of, than players they know. I find it strange, that's all.

I could understand the excitement if you'd lived in Brazil, watched him every week and really thought he's going to become a superstar.

If you sign him then I hope he follows in the footsteps of fellow South Americans, Anderson, Forlan and Veron :p
 
the other thing (which might make a difference to Utd fan's views) is that currently Utd dont NEED RvP (although he would be a fabulous addition)

While Kagawa should be a great addition in a similar position to Moura, and how muc of a let down Anderson has been, its not that surprising that Moura is gaining so much (as yet questionable) hype /attention
 
Why aren't United in for Oscar? He's a playmaker who comes deep, controls the game - isn't that what United are after? You have loads of wingers!

I think most of us have gone past the point of asking "why don't we buy an out and out creative central midfielder. I think Fergie must have a quite different formation in mind to a lot of us for next year as we have a lot of wingers / attacking players but not many further back on the pitch.

Fergie does have a raging hard on for Carrick though so who knows. To be honest, we have a good enough central midfield as long as we don't get Cleverley or Anderson injured and they both regain their form from the start of last season. I just worry that both those boys are made of glass and one or both will miss long parts of next season.

There is always the chance that Fergie is just waiting till Wilshere recovers, is made Arsenal captain then leaves a year later, as is the trend these days at Arsenal.
 
I wouldn't have said anything had I known you'd get so defensive. It was a general point, not specific to you or Utd possibly signing Lucas Moura. I said similar things to Liverpool supporters last year; fans seem to get more excited about signing foreign players that they've seen little to nothing of, than players they know. I find it strange, that's all.

I could understand the excitement if you'd lived in Brazil, watched him every week and really thought he's going to become a superstar.

If you sign him then I hope he follows in the footsteps of fellow South Americans, Anderson, Forlan and Veron :p

I wasn't meaning to be defensive, I just thought you were aiming all those remarks directly at me! :p

The fact is, I hope we get him because he has the potential to be amazing, and is currently considered (by professionals, not fans) to be a very good player. That's all there is to it really!

I also don't believe in someone's nationality being particularly relevant as to how well they'll perform and adapt. That comes almost entirely down to the person in question.

Have there been any 'proper' Brazilian attackers aside from Robinho in the Premier League? None spring to mind.

I'm also massively excited at the prospect of us signing RvP, don't think for one second that I'm not!
 
rumours about interest in Dembele (no reputable sources though) - although there was a quote from him recently stating he didnt want to leave Fulham

edit - imo Anderson's form at the beginning of last season (when he played well) wasnt the norm - until he proves otherwise
Far more likely he will have another disappointing season (if he even stays -given that the squad is seemingly full without any further additions)
 
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the other thing (which might make a difference to Utd fan's views) is that currently Utd dont NEED RvP (although he would be a fabulous addition)

While Kagawa should be a great addition in a similar position to Moura, and how muc of a let down Anderson has been, its not that surprising that Moura is gaining so much (as yet questionable) hype /attention

I'd have thought you needed another striker more than you needed another attacking midfielder/winger.

And why would Anderson not living up to his hype, boost Moura's hype? Even for you Frank, that's some pretty odd logic. Surely it would do the opposite.
 
the other thing (which might make a difference to Utd fan's views) is that currently Utd dont NEED RvP (although he would be a fabulous addition)

We could do with RVP a lot more than Lucas. Neither are absolutely essential signings but if Rooney gets a long term injury then we'll struggle for goals, if say Valencia gets injured though we've still got Nani, Young, Welbeck and Kagawa all of whom can play wide (like Lucas)

What's happened with Hamsik this summer? I thought he'd be moving to a bigger club.

Signed a new deal with Napoli around April time
 
I'd have thought you needed another striker more than you needed another attacking midfielder/winger.

And why would Anderson not living up to his hype, boost Moura's hype? Even for you Frank, that's some pretty odd logic. Surely it would do the opposite.

depends on what formation Fergie wants to use - but Welbeck and Chicharito...and possibly Kagawa, not to mention any youngsters coming through.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say - because Anderson hasnt really pulled his weight so far, any player who could well be a replacement for him / in a similar position is going to get more excitement from the Utd fans than somone who is a clear addition / backup to a 1st team player

We could do with RVP a lot more than Lucas. Neither are absolutely essential signings but if Rooney gets a long term injury then we'll struggle for goals, if say Valencia gets injured though we've still got Nani, Young, Welbeck and Kagawa all of whom can play wide (like Lucas)

Nani is the only one of the existing players of your list who is anything like a replacement for Valencia - has young ever played on the right? Welbeck is a useful "fill in" wide - but imo that should be for FA Cup / CC early rounds - not for EPL /CL or quarter finals / and later depending on the opponant
 
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Moura is a creative cm / am , exactly what Anderson was originally bought for

No he's not everything I've read and seen suggests he's a winger and at a push a support striker. Unless he fills out he certainly doesn't even have the physique to play in central midfield let alone the ability

As for Nani being the only suitable replacement for Valencia that's crazy talk as well, for starters Young is right footed (even though he plays on the left) and yes he's played wide on the right for both Villa and England plenty of times so should have no problems doing the same for us if push came to shove.
 
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No he's not everything I've read and seen suggests he's a winger and at a push a support striker. Unless he fills out he certainly doesn't even have the physique to play in central midfield let alone the ability

As I've said before he appears (I'm not 100% sure) to play similarly to David Silva position-wise. I wouldn't exactly say he's a winger.

He's definitely not, and never going to be, a CM.
 
Oscar to sign on Friday:

Oscar goes to London, never to return. This will be your new city from now. The midfielder will sign five-year contract with Chelsea in Manchester until Friday. So, where is he with the Brazil squad for the Olympics, becomes their new home. Of this amount, 50% go directly into the coffers of the Beira-Rio, or 12.5 million euros.

Oscar leaves the International for a record fee, £ 25 million, as the club wanted to get rid of it. Thus, the need to sell a player every transfer window is supplied, which ensures the presence of center-Leandro Damian at the club until the end of this year at least.

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People make up new positions every single year, and question a players ability to play anywhere else with a whole host of insane reasons, like build or quality.

Here's a clue a very good player can play in pretty much any position, a great player could play any position. Pires could play either wing, in midfield, as a striker. If you're only good at crossing, you won't make a great defensive midfielder but could make a great winger, great players can be moved just about anywhere.

Fabregas has played, both wings, DM, central mid, AMC, striker and I have no doubt at all he could fill in at fullback should he need to.

Moura doesn't have the build to play in central mid, sorry but rubbish, Wilshire is tiny compared to a lot of players and there really wasn't anyone in the league he wasn't capable of bullying, size/height have zero bearing on how effectively you can use it. Hesky is a massive lump but hasn't used his size for years now.

Has Young played on the right? He's played all across midfield, anywhere upfront, and he's played plenty of games defending a crapload at Villa, of course he can play on the right.

There used to be left midfield, then there was left midfielder, attacking left midfielder, now we've added wide striker, and somehow people want to pretend this is a completely different position to their right hand versions as well. It's like people want a new name depending on the square metre of pitch you spend the most time in. Get over it people. If Moura is good enough there won't be an attacking position he wouldn't be capable of playing in.

This all ignores the fact that just because team A plays him in a position doesn't mean its his best position or his only position, its normally not much more than how the team works best.

It's even more funny when most of the people on here(me included) have barely seen him play.

hernandez can't play another position because he's pretty rubbish in most aspects of his game, tap in's, sure, speed, sure, footballing genius... not even close. Rooney has played both wings, deep/upfront striker, midfield. Gigg's has played the same positions, Scholes is really lacking the pace to play wide but has played really everywhere down the middle, Young has played all those positions too, as has Nani.
 
Oh, anyway I came to post about Wenger/Wilshire, he's said he's still only back in the gym(he had surgery again in May if you didn't know). He's not really kicked a ball for a year and that was after a long lay off as well. Says he probably won't be back before October at the earliest........

Wenger also said that M'villa isn't in the list as we have Diaby, who if fit is first on the team sheet for france.........

Is wenger deluded? Not least because M'villa is a DM and Diaby can't defend to save his life, first on the team sheet for france, maybe when they had a truly retarded manager who managed to create an insurrection in the team due to being such a complete moron.

Aparently if either break down in preseason we might buy a replacement but as it stands he's planning a team with both involved....

Wilshire, its two unlucky injuries but I'm already worried about his long term ability to stay fit, Diaby is a complete lost cause and he's still banking on him being available and fit, this many years later.... its laughable.
 
The problem with young as a winger is that he isnt great at getting the ball, turning and running...

He gets the ball, lays it sideways, or waits for Evras overlap and lets him do all the running. Kagawa from what ive seen takes the ball in, and turns and adds positivity by moving forward.

Ive said it before, even Anderson does this. Nani does it too. Carrick obviously cannot. Valencia sometimes does. Lucas is definitely a player who will pick it up and turn and try to make something out of the forward play. This is what i like to see in prospective purchases.
 
Bayern have been put off the price for Martinez so will move for De Jong.
Especially considering he has 1yr left we would be stupid to turn down a good price.

A bit too one dimensional for the team we are trying to build. Still does a job and very well at that.

If we get a good price for him i would imagine we could make a move for Martinez or i hope Sahin.

-------Aguero-----
Silva---Tevez---Nasri
----Yaya----Martinez--
Clichy-Komp-Lesc-Rich
----------Hart---------

That would be awesome.
If Tevez and or Dzeko leave as well then i imagine RvP is coming so RvP drops into Tevez's place.
 
Here's a clue a very good player can play in pretty much any position

There's a huge difference between playing in a position and excelling in it.

Could Ronaldo play central midfield? Yeah probably. Would he be any good at it? No he'd be useless. Could Kompany play up front? Yeah probably. Would he actually score as many goals up front as say Aguero? Of course he wouldn't

Jeez some of the stuff you come out with
 
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