You'll never see a poor vet !!!

My gf has just kicked my arse. They charge the insurance companies exactly the same money as the private customer as it;s illegal not to and they can be struck off.

So I was wrong about them charging less but it's certainly not a case of them charging insurance companies more.
 
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In the case of the dog you've spent a couple of hundred quid, it goes wrong and you are asked to pay 5k to keep it going, 4 or 5 times the actual worth of the operation being performed.

It's not. The operation is way less than what it would be on a person so you are being undercharged.

You either pay insurance or take the blows as and when they come.
 
The question I'm asking myself after reading this thread is...

How come vets are so highly qualified and do such a vital task for such poor returns?
 
The only reason you may think Vet bills are high is because you have the NHS, it seems abnormal.

The one that does however annoy me is the pace and regulation of Animal medicine's, obviously i won't expect the same level of research as they do on humans, but i find it rather hard to swallow that if your animal has something like seizures, then you cant do squat other than to live with it, put them down or get a medicine that destroys other organs in the body.
 
Well. Vets start at £22k, dentists at £28k. Both take the same amount of time to get qualified.

After the first year virtually all dentist who don't work for one of those.... hmmm, how are they best described?.... corporate bodies (Oasis and the like) are paid by work they do.

Basically, you do an exam, you get money to that.
Each item of service has an amount, banded in the NHS, per item usually in the PVT world, banded for Denplan etc. At teh end of the month, Mr Principal dentists divides the months loot.

Usually you take the gross amount you earn, subtract any labbills, and equipments costs, and other running costs, then divide by the percentage in your contract. This will vary from 30%-50%.

An hourly rate of £125 (more than I manage by quite a bit, but seems to be what people attain in England, I am not quite sure how) an hour, pushed solidly for an entire year, might end up witha gross income to the practice of £200,000 a year, knock of the bills, and the split, you could be taking home anywhere from £42K to £70K a year depending on your split percentage.
We're self-employed, even if working for a Principal, so tax is paid twice a year to HMRC. At £70 an associate will have already blasted all their expenses in the split, so can expect to pay maybe 24K/25K in tax. So maybe a monthly takehome equivalent of between £2800 to £3800 even though they earned £125 an hour, as in their patients paid that much per hour on average.

As a comparison, in Northern Ireland (we're not banded), on the NHS, two small radiographs of your teeth will cost you £5. A big film going around the head costs around £10. A checkup and full scaling costs £17ish. You tend to take radiographs every two to three years assuming nothing is wrong. So 4 checkups an hour, 15 minutes a person to allow time for cleaning, updating medical histories etc, one of them would be due radiographs on average, would net you less than £75, significantly under this £125 figure I stated earlier. NHS fees cannot be altered, even items with labbills attached even if the lab costs goes up. In the past ten years the cost of a gold crown has went up by around 10% in the fees, the labbill has close to tripled. Some things are not profitable, but have to be offered if you want to comply with your TOS.

There is no holiday pay, there is no sick pay, if you miss a day like anyone else self-employed you earn nothing. Some places will charge an assoicate a running cost for days they are off, as the practice is still running. Its not a moan, its just the way things are and always have been. Anyway its a little bit of background for people.

Main costs with vets is often they need a GA to radiograph properly which adds dramatically to the cost. The films will be bigger, as in the development surface will be bigger to accomodate all creatures, be it digital or not.
 
WOW I did not know Vets made such poor money.

I took my puppy to the vet on sunday here in Prague, had a quick checkup and given a vaccine total cost was just under 10 pounds including the vaccine.
 
The question I'm asking myself after reading this thread is...

How come vets are so highly qualified and do such a vital task for such poor returns?

On a serious note it's for the love of the animals and to stop suffering. My gf has spent all night with the fire bridgade rescuing a horse from a beck before (which was when she last broke her leg) and I think the practice didn't get to charge anybody for it as nobody could find the owner.

It is also a very dangerous profession. Has one of the highest health care premiums (very accident prone with large animals, she once accidently injected her own eye with horse euthanasia drug :eek:) and also one of the highest suicide rates (combination of long hours, under pressure, seeing animals suffer and having to put them down and easy access to quick, painfree suicide drugs)
 
On a serious note it's for the love of the animals and to stop suffering. My gf has spent all night with the fire bridgade rescuing a horse from a beck before (which was when she last broke her leg) and I think the practice didn't get to charge anybody for it as nobody could find the owner.

It is also a very dangerous profession. Has one of the highest health care premiums (very accident prone with large animals, she once accidently injected her own eye with horse euthanasia drug :eek:) and also one of the highest suicide rates (combination of long hours, under pressure, seeing animals suffer and having to put them down and easy access to quick, painfree suicide drugs)

Im glad there are people like that around.
 
My point is a general one, I have cats and dogs and don't pay per insurance on any of them, and in the event of an extortionate vet bill or illness that requires expensive long term treatment, they would be put down.

You car analogy doesn't hold up,in the case of the car, I have spent 10k on the BMW to buy it, I pay for warranty to protect my outlay so it lasts as long as possible.

In the case of the dog you've spent a couple of hundred quid, it goes wrong and you are asked to pay 5k to keep it going, 4 or 5 times the actual worth of the operation being performed.

You're not fit to have animals. If the treatment is there and they animal won't suffer then any reasonable animal owner would have it done if they cared about the animal.
 
My wife gives up her own time to arrange puppy party's & school trips ect
It's not all great when the phone rings at 2am and its -5 outside and you got a
Carving to do and the farmer is f#### at her but 9 years in the job her best call out
Was a chicken that would not swallow. Lol
 
vets are rip offs simple as that, they charged me £80 quid just to look at my dog , my local talk out of their arse trying to tell me my dogs will be healthier with no balls, more like they have a deal with the breeders to give ******** advice


and ONLY 45k a year to some is a significant amount lol

It's only £15 to see your dog at my wife practice ;-)
 
vets are rip offs simple as that, they charged me £80 quid just to look at my dog , my local talk out of their arse trying to tell me my dogs will be healthier with no balls, more like they have a deal with the breeders to give ******** advice


and ONLY 45k a year to some is a significant amount lol

£45K a year is a lot, but not compared to some other jobs that require long hours and a very high level of specialised knowledge. It's a minimum of a 5 year degree to begin being qualified.

As for hours, the RCVS website makes it very clear:

Every veterinary surgeon has an obligation to deal with emergencies in any species at any time. Anyone contemplating a career in veterinary practice should remember that it is a 24-hour service, 365 days a year.

Permanently on call for a highly specialised profession requiring a minimum of a 5 year degree to even begin working...£45K a year isn't a lot for that and many vets don't get that much anyway.

£80 for investigation and diagnosis...you can pay close to that for someone to find out what's wrong with your boiler. I once paid £45 for ~30s of work, but what I was actually paying for was the knowledge and skill the guy I was hiring had and I didn't have. I could have forced entry into my home, doing some degree of damage. He could circumvent the lock and get me in without doing any damage. That's what I paid for - his knowledge and skill. The advice ("If I was you, I'd get a better lock") was free :)
 
My wife gives up her own time to arrange puppy party's & school trips ect
It's not all great when the phone rings at 2am and its -5 outside and you got a
Carving to do and the farmer is f#### at her but 9 years in the job her best call out
Was a chicken that would not swallow. Lol

You're married to James Herriot!? :)
 
Our vets have always been great, I have had a lot of contact with vets as my father had a competition stables. I also meet a lot of them at eventing events and they are usually dedicated professionals who have worked hard to get where they are.

Our cat vet always gave good advice over our cat with diabetes and when it was time to stop treating her he helped with that decision. Treatment costs money but that's how it is. If your vet isn't good find another, but a bad vet is a bad vet, nothing about the profession in general.

Originally Posted by atpbx View Post
My point is a general one, I have cats and dogs and don't pay per insurance on any of them, and in the event of an extortionate vet bill or illness that requires expensive long term treatment, they would be put down.

What a really sad thing to say, you must not love your animals as much as they deserve.
 
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