You'll never see a poor vet !!!

Greebo said:
My gf has just kicked my arse. They charge the insurance companies exactly the same money as the private customer as it;s illegal not to and they can be struck off.

So I was wrong about them charging less but it's certainly not a case of them charging insurance companies more.
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I said this earlier in the thread :)
Hatter The Mad said:
The ultimate market force is the majority of people, and they're uninsured, and make sure those individual service prices stay down. The most a vet can do to 'take advantage' of the availability of pet insurance is usually to be more liberal with the diagnosis services they select - which is good for the vet financially, and good for the customer as they're getting their money's worth from their insurance and presumably the fastest route to diagnosis and treatment for their animal.

Vets cannot sell a service at one price to people paying themselves and to the insurer another.
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My OP aluded to 'some' vets in it for the money.
Whilst there will be pockets of the industry where the coin rules, i'll retract somewhat and say that i do think they do a good job and i didn't realise how little some do earn.
And thinking about it, when one of our cats was dying, it was a sunday morning, we rang the PDSA and they said "it will be £100 just to see the cat, plus treatment charges". We didn't have insurance on her, but agreed to it. Got to the surgery, waited 5 mins, then was called in. Literally within 10 secs (no lie) of putting Daisy on the surgeons table she looked at me, her eyes glazed over...and she died.
The vet didn't charge us a single penny as she didn't even get chance to look at her.
And the previous vet to the one we have now (right milf btw, lol) loved Skye (our dog) so much that she often didn't charge for smaller things.
So, yes i'm happy to retract my original OP (most of it) and do think that we have a decent vet in our village.
We pay £22pcm for our pet insurance as its quite substantial, and with a nutty border collie, its worth it.
 
atpbx said:
You car analogy doesn't hold up,in the case of the car, I have spent 10k on the BMW to buy it, I pay for warranty to protect my outlay so it lasts as long as possible.

In the case of the dog you've spent a couple of hundred quid, it goes wrong and you are asked to pay 5k to keep it going, 4 or 5 times the actual worth of the operation being performed.
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I expected you to get flamed a lot harder for this than you have been.
 
Greebo said:
My gf is a vet so I am biased. However, when in practice she earnt only around £42k per annum
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fadetoblack said:
For £37,000 a year so not really in it for the money
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People complaining of their other halfs etc "only" earning the above.
My heart bleeds for your difficult lives.


Vet costs are silly, but then, it's not really news. It's one of the many reasons I won't have pets.
Also, as the OP says, people will complain but still pay it so...what do you expect.
 
jaybee said:
People complaining of their other halfs etc "only" earning the above.
My heart bleeds for your difficult lives.


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I was only pointing out the perceived expense of vets bills does not equate to them getting paid high wages. To be a vet is a vocation and not for the money.

To spend 5 years gettting qualified, starting out on £22k per annum and if you are lucky, 20+ years later you might earn more than £40k for a job which entails 60+ hour weeks and unsociable hours is not getting well paid IMO.

As I pointed out, my other half's wages equated to just over £8 per hour. A starting vet is paid less than £7 per hour and barely above minimum wage. That rate of pay for a professional is ridiculous especially with the qualifications needed and the years of study and the responsibility they have.

She could go earn way more by not been a vet. In fact, due to injuries, she is no longer a vet in practice and now earns 70k+ in the pharmcetical industry.
 
Those prices seem reasonable. but what makes me laugh is that you get everything done instantly and to a high standard. The place is super clean and you probably get a coffee while you wait. Then you get a specialist opinion instantly and you could probably go tomorrow for the op if you wanted. If you shopped around you could probably get a cheaper price if you said you had no insurance etc.

Compare that to NHS lol. Yes dogs get better healthcare than humans.
 
Greebo said:
It's not. The operation is way less than what it would be on a person so you are being undercharged.

You either pay insurance or take the blows as and when they come.
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Of course it should cost less than a hip replacement on a person, its a dog.
 
I need to get a girlfriend Vet,

On Friday we took one of or dogs in to the vet because he was having trouble breathing, long story short, he never came home, they charged us £140 for some oxygen and £39 for cremation.

The cremation i was ok with but £140 for oxygen? what? surely this is expensive. He was on if for like an hour, and he was a tiny tiny dog.

I appreciate they have knowledge and ability's that the public do not have, but i feel they definitely rip us off in other area, for instance worming pills, £16 for two, online you could get them cheaper, but the old lady who takes her poodle in doesn't have the internet
 
Greebo said:
Vet's are just as qualified as Doctors. Did you know that Doctor's can;t legally treat animals but Vets can legally treat people?
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I'm going to call you out on this one. I highly doubt a vet could walk into a hospital and legally get a job being a doctor. There are huge differences between animals and humans. Diseases, CPR, drugs, etc.
 
Mad old tory said:
You're not fit to have animals. If the treatment is there and they animal won't suffer then any reasonable animal owner would have it done if they cared about the animal.
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I dont think you in a position to make that judgement.

Its the usual kind of over emotive unfounded accusation I expect from people who apply human emotions and traits to animals.

For the record, for people like you who know less than nothing about me, I've had 4 dogs that I have owned myself since I left home.

I had a springer spaniel that lived till it was 12 that I had to have detroyed as it had a severe heart condition (that I was paying £50 a month to treat and had done for the last 5 years) it collapsed and could barely breathe and it was under the recomendation of the vet.

I had 2 long haird minature dachshunds, one I bought as a puppy from a breeder for a not inconsiderable amount of money as he was a pedigree animal, he is getting on a bit now but still lives with the ex.
The other was a female who had been bred from by a couple of "animal lovers" (house plastered with rosettes and awards from dog shows) but after 2 bad litters she was cast aside because she was of no use to them, I took her on at 4 years old and she died in her sleep a couple of years ago at 13 years old.

I currently have a moggy and a pedigree labrador (5) bought as a puppy.

So you can take your opinions of my "fitness" to own animals and shove them up your arse.
 
Ahleckz said:
I'm going to call you out on this one. I highly doubt a vet could walk into a hospital and legally get a job being a doctor. There are huge differences between animals and humans. Diseases, CPR, drugs, etc.
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I didn't say a vet could get a job as a doctor, just that vets can legally treat humans but doctors can't treat animals.

Yes, there are huge differences but surprisingly enough a lot of the drugs are the same, just dosage levels differ.

The General Medical Council provides guidelines to registered practitioners advising doctors against self-medicating and prescribing for families but, perhaps not surprisingly, it does not give specific advice on treating animals.1 For that you have to look to the Veterinary Surgeons Act 1966.

"The Act only allows qualified and registered vets to carry out veterinary surgery, but there are certain exemptions. In carefully defined circumstances, the Act allows non-vets to treat animals. Doctors may carry out treatment at the request of a registered vet, for example.
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Kimi said:
I need to get a girlfriend Vet,

On Friday we took one of or dogs in to the vet because he was having trouble breathing, long story short, he never came home, they charged us £140 for some oxygen and £39 for cremation.

The cremation i was ok with but £140 for oxygen? what? surely this is expensive. He was on if for like an hour, and he was a tiny tiny dog.

I appreciate they have knowledge and ability's that the public do not have, but i feel they definitely rip us off in other area, for instance worming pills, £16 for two, online you could get them cheaper, but the old lady who takes her poodle in doesn't have the internet
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£140 would surely be for the vet's time, the nurse's time, the facility the dog was in plus the oxygen cost?

And the cost of drugs has always been an issue. Yes, the markup is high in a vets as it offsets the costs. I suppose that really a vet should charge way more per hour for their time and less of a markup on drugs.

No different to the main dealer car anology though. BMW might charge you £50 for your oil when you can go buy it from your motor factors for £20.
 
atpbx said:
So you can take your opinions of my "fitness" to own animals and shove them up your arse.
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I did lol at that, but then again you did liken the cost implications of owning a pet (with emotion and feelings) to that of a car (with none).
You could have worded it better, and from your above quote, you now have.....and i thank you for the lolz. :D
 
Greebo said:
I didn't say a vet could get a job as a doctor, just that vets can legally treat humans but doctors can't treat animals.

Yes, there are huge differences but surprisingly enough a lot of the drugs are the same, just dosage levels differ.
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In what cases can vet treat humans?
 
Ahleckz said:
I'm going to call you out on this one. I highly doubt a vet could walk into a hospital and legally get a job being a doctor. There are huge differences between animals and humans. Diseases, CPR, drugs, etc.
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Of course they couldn't, but they legally can and legally can perform surgery on a human. In a national crisis, vets will be called in to be GPs and surgeons - there is less difference in mammalian medicine and surgery than you think.


Ahleckz said:
In what cases can vet treat humans?
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If you give them permission, or if you're dying in front of them, and in a national crisis.
 
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