How should the NHS deal with the obesity epidemic? Lost battle?

OhEsEcks said:
Obesity is self inflicted. As such you should be made to pay for your own health care. Same with smoking, drug and drink related hospital treatments.
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And sports injuries, RSI, hernias, ...?

Don't trivialise the subject. Smoking, drinking and eating are all addictive. Smokers can just quit, with help. Alcoholics can go t-total, with help. Eaters cant just go (wait for it :D) cold turkey.

Many overweight people aren't overeating just to be fat and lazy. Theres deep routed issues at the heart of it. Most have very low self-esteem, for a reason, and that is only exasperated as they gain weight through comfort eating. Exercise is harder, not only physically, but mentally too as their low-self esteem kicks in when they try to exercise, they cant do much, which is demoralising, and the worry of people seeing them makes things worse. Because lets be honest. We would all laugh to ourselves if we saw a fat lass jogging.

No amount of dieting and exercise is going to work until the root of the problem is worked on for each individual. Their weight will just yoyo their whole lives and they wont ever be healthy.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Because addiction has the same effect on everybody... oh wa... :rolleyes:

Genetics plays a strong factor in all addictions.
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I'm confused, literally every single post you've made is detailing why people cannot lose weight or making excuses. Who ever said it was easy for ANYONE to kick bad habits and get in shape? What you meant was some people are fat, lazy, unmotivated and reach for every excuse under the sun, while others knuckle down and will their way back to decent shape and far more importantly, a healthier lifestyle. Anyone can do it.
 
I find it sad that people who have fertility problems through no fault of their own only get 3 rounds of IVF treatment on the NHS, after that you have to pay for more. If you are obese due to overeating/self abuse, you get unlimited help from the NHS for life. Crazy.

With these people who are housebound because of their size, you really have to ask who is brining in all their food and how they can afford to eat so much. I cannot afford to eat as much as these people do and I work for a living.

I resent paying tax so that these people can get £400 a week benefits and blow £200 a week getting pizza deliveries :mad:
 
robgmun said:
I've seen a fair few people who have lost legs after car crashes and hardly any of them are obese. Poor mobility is no excuse to pile on the pounds
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You misunderstand me. Sports injuries, RSI and hernias are self inflicted. OhEsEcks would like to see these people pay for there treatement.

Did you miss the rest of my post? I never said poor mobility is an excuse. For many obesity is a symptom of a mental health issue.
 
It's pretty easy to solve. At school we did 2 hours of PE a week. Just 2. A lot of kids did **** all exercise other than those two hours. Replace needless RE or general studies or pshe or whatever with sport. Kids are far more likely to learn morals and how to treat one another if the sports are properly taught and refereed by the sport teachers and at the same time see exercise as a normal thing. Some sport lessons could also include 15 minutes of education on good food etc. It's all about educations and doing; learning how to eat healthily, and being used to doing exercise.
 
Woden said:
You misunderstand me. Sports injuries, RSI and hernias are self inflicted. OhEsEcks would like to see these people pay for there treatement.

Did you miss the rest of my post? I never said poor mobility is an excuse. For many obesity is a symptom of a mental health issue.
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I'm sure for many people it is a mental thing, but seriously, you can only baby sit people so far before they HAVE to take responsibility. And between you and me, I'm pretty sure it's only a mental issue for a small minority of people. The rest is a laziness issue.
 
Replace schools with forced labour camps for the poor and socially unwanted if any survive conscription into the peoples defense force, replace tanks with 20000 conscripts armed with sticks.

Replace the navy with rafts of fat kids.

Guys im saving the country millions here... Why dont the Government do this ?
 
regulus said:
I'm sure for many people it is a mental thing, but seriously, you can only baby sit people so far before they HAVE to take responsibility. And between you and me, I'm pretty sure it's only a mental issue for a small minority of people. The rest is a laziness issue.
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is that not a mental issue then ? Why are they lazy ? Why do they not have motivation? What is stopping them be perfect like you?
 
pfft well that's no help then is it....Has anyone else got all the answers to the above? More specifically why are people Lazy ?
 
desires said:
It's pretty easy to solve. At school we did 2 hours of PE a week. Just 2. A lot of kids did **** all exercise other than those two hours. Replace needless RE or general studies or pshe or whatever with sport. Kids are far more likely to learn morals and how to treat one another if the sports are properly taught and refereed by the sport teachers and at the same time see exercise as a normal thing. Some sport lessons could also include 15 minutes of education on good food etc. It's all about educations and doing; learning how to eat healthily, and being used to doing exercise.
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All I learned in PE at school was that my teacher was a sadist.
 
Just to touch on the smoker's and drinker's being mentioned in the thread, the tax it costs them far outweighs thier medical expenses, they more than pay their way in the NHS...I drink very little and don't smoke, doesn't affect me, but just saying.

Obesity wasn't a problem when I was at growing up. I ate chips. I ate junk food. About once a week tops. Most of the time, my parents cooked normal, real food. No need to go on a diet. Mince and dumplings, pies, plenty of vegetables, etc, all homemade.

The supermarkets were nothing like they are now. I'd estimate it was 80/20 in favour of 'proper' food being sold.

Now it's the opposite. 80/20 in favour of ready meals/processed food/foods with additives being sold. And usually cheap.

There was little need for these foods 20 years ago, there's no reason we need them in the shops now....Until this trend is reversed, obesity will just keep on...erm growing.

And get cooking back on the national curriculum, call it food education, practical and theory...and get more active sports on too.
 
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