And loses 100s of millions off profit.
The easiest thing they could do is stick a massive time limit on.
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And loses 100s of millions off profit.
The easiest thing they could do is stick a massive time limit on.
Nothing about doom mongering at all.
Siding with the EU Courts and their supposed 'common sense' with 1 hand "It's not a rental because their is no time period!" but then totally eroding that common sense with the other hand accepting a move into compliance simply by adding a rental period of 1,000 years.
Yeah, lots of common sense there, go law go!
Then I simply would not buy the product or buy it from that company. Of course I have a bloody choice, I do not agree to a EULA/TOS by force, do I?
Yes that is common sense.
Or do you disagree with 999 year agreements on houses?
It's forcing the companies to comply with law, it's not hard at all to comply. they just aren't and as such are. Falsely advertising as well, if someone wanted to go down that route.
Do you not understand, that if company's could write your rights away, they all would and you would have a choice as all companies would write them away.
Or do you disagree with 999 year agreements on houses?
It's forcing the companies to comply with law, it's not hard at all to comply. they just aren't and as such are. Falsely advertising as well, if someone wanted to go down that route.
Do you not understand, that if company's could write your rights away, they all would and you would have a choice as all companies would write them away.
Oh deary me.
I give up.
Common Sense says you cannot rent for an unlimited period of time but you can rent for 999 years.
Seriously, SERIOUSLY?
Common sense would dictate that 999 years IS an unlimited amount of time for your average person.
I give up.
Common Sense says you cannot rent for an unlimited period of time but you can rent for 999 years.
Seriously, SERIOUSLY?
Common sense would dictate that 999 years IS an unlimited amount of time for your average person.
I wish companies like Steam would stop scaring me with that firearm they have in your monitors, that is put to your head every time you agree with something. It just seems so over the top and unnecessary? What if I was a child using Steam, something like that would be terrifying.
What if I misclicked and stated I didn't agree? Boom, my brains all over the floor, that's what. This is a total outrage against our rights as people and follows such daft common sense.
What if I misclicked and stated I didn't agree? Boom, my brains all over the floor, that's what. This is a total outrage against our rights as people and follows such daft common sense.
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Like T-mobiles 99999999999 texts per month is unlimited.
Just found out with amazon kindle if you dont like the book for any reason within a week of buying you can get a full refund. Why cant online games sales be a little more customer based and do the same?
Must not forget that Steam is like any other company, they want to make money and will take yours and do what ever they can to keep it.
Must not forget that Steam is like any other company, they want to make money and will take yours and do what ever they can to keep it.
The only reason they supposedly no longer comply with the law is because the EU court have apparently changed the definition of "renting".
Please no! If there's the option to buy "pre-owned" for less, why would anyone pay more for an identical "new" item?
Being able to sell your games back to the supplier is bad enough, but to be able to buy "pre-owned" digital games for less is just silly!
The reason this ruling makes no sense is that there is no such thing as "new" or "pre-owned" when it comes to digital items, they are completely indistinguishable.
Otherwise, following logically, when pirates rip a DVD and then distribute it, surely they are distributing "pre-owned" copies, and therefore should only be prosecuted for the value of potential lost revenue for "pre-owned" copies rather than new?
Exactly. Steam would get to sell the exact same product twice for the same price. The difference is we get a bit of cash, and they don't have to pay as much for the second licence.
Considering most games can be beaten in a day or two (Besides hefty RPGs that could be beaten in the weeks timeframe) I don't really think that'll work. You could essentially play every game out there and not pay a single penny in the long run.
A decent sized Demo is the way to go in my opinion.
This is precisely why I'm not a fan of steam and all these other services. I'm sick of companies telling me what I can and can't do with the items I have BOUGHT. The courts need to sort out this software licensing BS once and for all. When I bought Skyrim on a DVD from Tesco for PC I'm not freakin renting it FFS!
As long as I'm not infringing intellectual copyrights by hacking or pirating software I should be able re-sell it and do as I please! How would you feel if your 100 + steam library got deleted or hacked?
Bah maybe its time to bin gaming, anyone want a gtx 580 lol
As long as I'm not infringing intellectual copyrights by hacking or pirating software I should be able re-sell it and do as I please! How would you feel if your 100 + steam library got deleted or hacked?
Bah maybe its time to bin gaming, anyone want a gtx 580 lol
Its different from books? No. Most books can be read easy with in a week, and Amazon still do the return service. Steam should take a leaf out of Amazons book.
It doesnt take much thought to realise if someone abuses the system then steps would be taken.
We could return games that dont work, games that make us sick (Hard reset being one of them for me) Companys would be under our rule rather than dictating to us what we should accept as a complete working game.
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The courts will not accept his if they do decide to go after them, one simple thing they will use to pull steam up on is that you can buy games from other sellers and add it to your steam account, and this argument you guys are putting up re' the steam TOS is semantics, and further more in the UK ToS have no legal standing what so ever. (which is rightly so)
Also where does it say all this when you buy a retail game. Steam games sold on discs in shops do not have all these conditions printed clearly for consumers to see at point of sale. I'm not just having a go a steam specifically but all companies need to think about this. I like Steam as a community and the on-line services it provides to gamers but I'd like a revoke option for games bought via retail.
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Oddly, I haven't been shown the new agreement yet, but I heard that if you click disagree then the Steam client closes. If you load it back up then you are presented with the same thing. You can only access your games if you agree.
[edit] Bah. Steam's just updated and restarted and I've been shown it now.
Yeah I will add that if you don't agree then you cannot continue to use Steams service which means no games. This is "fine" as the original agreement was that you didn't own the games anyway.
Thanks for the good reading people. It's interesting to see peoples views on this. Personally I would really like to own the games as I'm just not comfortable with the fact that my service can be removed at any time. But also I don't think a perfect resell model has been figured out yet.
Also interesting is if Steam did do a real subscription model like OnLive. Saying that... lets say it was £5 a month, so £60 a year and there would be no new EA titles (BF4 etc) and they are the kind of games I spend £30 on to get at launch. So it would be more expensive.
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It's the same thing with Blizzard games. If you read the Starcraft 2 agreement, it also says you own a license to play the game, as opposed to the game itself.
I guess this is so they can ban cheaters with impunity.
I guess this is so they can ban cheaters with impunity.