There's a reason no one uses Opera, even though it's free. It's a good idea that just can't cope with todays web.
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Well that's a well thought out argument. It's ironic that you, well if I can successfully interpret what you are saying, label people as stupid for using it then come out with grammatical errors suggesting that you are stupid - so you must be using it then?
With regards to cleartype - I have to say that on Firefox mine looks exactly like IE. Have you disabled Cleartype on your system? This is the only explanation I can think of.
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Well this is what mine looks like on IE, Chrome and Firefox (in that order)
At best there is an extremely slight difference (pretty much next to zero though) and no where near as bad as the screenshots posted by Sin_Chase.
At best there is an extremely slight difference (pretty much next to zero though) and no where near as bad as the screenshots posted by Sin_Chase.
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Yes I'm old school and its my main change client and its been
borked since they rebranded adding nnew people doesn't work and I've been disconnected all day yesterday
Tablet fail
Yes I'm old school and its my main change client and its been
borked since they rebranded adding nnew people doesn't work and I've been disconnected all day yesterday
Tablet fail
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But you said ClearType was 'enforced' on IE only so it'll look crap on other browsers. Now you're saying it's an OS thing, which is it?
And your second paragraph seems odd to me, I've never seen 'muddy, blurry and crappy looking fonts' on my current 'ClearType enforced' system.
ClearType doesn't muddy or blur fonts in the OS, just like it doesn't in IE. Not really sure what he's talking about.
Seems to be a known issue - http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ne-after/0742e074-c3cb-4d5c-b0aa-c5570a0c648e
"You have helped discover a bug where the contacts list is not hitting the proper destination within People/Contacts in a more timely manner, thus the excessive delay some of you are seeing. While it is normal to take up to 12 hours (mine took 7-8 to migrate) it shouldn't take longer than the 24 hours that some of you reported. The bug that you helped discovered and we've since filed is being looked at. I can't promise an ETA on when your specific contacts will show online and for now can only ask for your continued patience, sign out/sign back in and see if your contacts appear "
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I only use hotmail when I have to, In typical MS fashion they can attempt to update the frontend but the backend still works like it did 10 years ago which is not a good thing.
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I use MSN Messenger chat on the Mac. Every time I go to the outlook.com page to check my mail it logs me out of messenger.
Anyone know how to stop that?
The OSX version doesn't have the PC option that checks if you're logged in elsewhere.
Anyone know how to stop that?
The OSX version doesn't have the PC option that checks if you're logged in elsewhere.
Derp a Herp a Derp.
ClearType is an OS level setting. It's forced in IE no matter what the OS is set to. IE applies ClearType no matter what, you cannot disable it.
If you have it enabled at OS level it will ALSO apply to other browsers.
It's really simple.
Cleartype on any half decent monitor is not required, it does nothing to clear up fonts on a modern monitor and only serves to make stuff less sharp than it should be. It's a foul system.
So presumably you're saying is that with a half decent monitor, IE (given that is will be running ClearType) will look worse than any other browser, assuming ClearType isn't set at the OS?
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Well maybe you should go back and clarify your other posts then as it seems from then you are saying the cleartype issue is exclusive to the browser and nothing to do with the OS.
When you replied to Athanor for example, you could have easily said "Oh you must be on Windows 7 where cleartype is enforced globally across all browsers" but instead you chose to post a print screen of IE vs Firefox to prove him wrong.
If you knew that people using cleartype enforced OS's wouldn't experience the issue you seem to have in other browsers why not bring it up then?
Well I've got a pretty decent monitor and I don't notice any of these issue, nor does anyone else it seems. Besides the screenshot I posted is a 'screen shot', has nothing to do with the monitor quality so theoretically any issue should show up on other monitors now that cleartype ins't being enforced on it, due to it being an image of course.
You sure you just don't need better glasses
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Oh my good god.
ClearType is an OS level setting. If you enable it at OS level it is enabled on everything.
IE uses ClearType no matter what you set at the OS level. IE will always have ClearType fonts when the OS ClearType is disabled while other browsers, as per the OS setting will not have any ClearType applied at all.
It's so utterly basic a concept to understand.
IE has it's own, mandatory, forced ClearType irrespective of OS setting. IT CANNOT BE DISABLED.
The fonts outlook.com uses are utterly terrible for screen display when they are not harassed by cleartype, as per the screen-shot I posted comparing ClearTyped fonts in IE to Non-ClearTyped fonts in other browsers. The world does not run on Windows (Hello mobile devices, Unix, OSX and everyone else) so designing a website and using a font that looks terrible without cleartype is such a stupid design choice.
ClearType is an OS level setting. If you enable it at OS level it is enabled on everything.
IE uses ClearType no matter what you set at the OS level. IE will always have ClearType fonts when the OS ClearType is disabled while other browsers, as per the OS setting will not have any ClearType applied at all.
It's so utterly basic a concept to understand.
IE has it's own, mandatory, forced ClearType irrespective of OS setting. IT CANNOT BE DISABLED.
The fonts outlook.com uses are utterly terrible for screen display when they are not harassed by cleartype, as per the screen-shot I posted comparing ClearTyped fonts in IE to Non-ClearTyped fonts in other browsers. The world does not run on Windows (Hello mobile devices, Unix, OSX and everyone else) so designing a website and using a font that looks terrible without cleartype is such a stupid design choice.
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Oh, whilst we're talking about being clueless, according to this months Marketshare data, Opera Mobile has just 9% of the mobile market behind Safari at 66% and Android at 20% (as well as 1.6% of desktop market and 2.3% overall combined, so to all intents and purposes, irrelevant). Not even close to being the "biggest mobile browser market share".
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/worldwide-mobile-2012-07.png
Your aggressive attitude in this thread has frankly just left you looking a little foolish. Still, on the bright side it's not about anythng particualrly important so all good fun
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I do understand that, how you've not gleamed that from my replies I don't know.
My question is why are you only bringing this up now and not before when you posted that screenshot to someone who said they hadn't experienced any issue with their Firefox? Why didn't you say THEN it had nothing to do with their browser and was OS enforced and saved yourself posting a screen grab?
I think you've only learnt about the "enforced OS cleartype" thing AFTER your initial posts here and now you're trying to make out that's what you saying all along.
And yet you seem to be the only one complaining about it, everyone else, including non-Windows users are saying it looks fine to them.
Besides even if it were the case that you needed an MS OS to view it properly what's the problem with that? I don't see Apple going out of their way to make their softwrae work on non-Apple devices, in fact the notion their stuff is so highly geared towards their end hardware is used as a selling point.
Oh, whilst we're talking about being clueless, according to this months Marketshare data, Opera Mobile has just 9% of the mobile market behind Safari at 66% and Android at 20% (as well as 1.6% of desktop market and 2.3% overall combined, so to all intents and purposes, irrelevant). Not even close to being the "biggest mobile browser market share".
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/worldwide-mobile-2012-07.png
Your aggressive attitude in this thread has frankly just left you looking a little foolish. Still, on the bright side it's not about anythng particualrly important so all good fun
Those stats are not representative of un-bias, unweighted data available online.
Just what does that image report on, which regions, which "mobile" devices and what weighting is applied? Does it filter out bogus data? Etc Etc. Just posting an image with no actual description is pretty useless.
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I posted the screengrab ages before, I only re-posted it because some people could not grasp that there WERE differences as a result of Cleartype.
You have no idea. Not only do I know about it but I know about it well enough because I have to go through the pains of sorting it out.
Everytime I rebuild my OS I go through the ballache of disabling ClearType at OS level entirely (which involves registry entries and not just using the worthless GUI provided for ClearType)
I intentionally avoid IE because of it's forced ClearType, in older versions you were given the option to disable it but now it is impossible and there is no option/registry tweak/patch or otherwise to disable it in the current versions of IE.
Don't try second guess me or my knowledge on the subject I am commenting on because all you do is make yourself look like an idiot.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=1
How about that one? Opera at 9%.