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spankingtexan said:
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but many also overlook the fact that a lot of dissabled people are cared for by relatives who not only find it mentally draining and upsetting to hear remarks like you made earlier but also save this country a small fortune in care costs. Really my friend unless you fully understand the devastating effects a dissability can have on a person be it mental or physical then i'd just think a little more before posting.
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There are plenty of things in life that can be upsetting, hard to deal with. The fact that someone believes the rest of society shouldn't give you free cash for something is just an opinion - it doesnt mean i dont feel sorry for someone in that situation. I'll say it again we can't afford to keep dishing out benefits, it's not all paid for with magic beans. A line has to be drawn somewhere and in principle I don't have an issue with lots of people being taken out of the benefits system - whether the test/criteria for making the decision is sound is another matter.
 
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arknor said:
your trying to tell me anxiety and alcohol dependancy should be long term illness?
there are plenty of cases i can think of where people deserve DLA but they arent about "to die"
anxiety and alcoholics arent one of them.
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I think you're underestimating the severity of both conditions.
 
dowie said:
There are plenty of things in life that can be upsetting, hard to deal with. The fact that someone believes the rest of society shouldn't give you free cash for something is just an opinion - it doesnt mean i dont feel sorry for someone in that situation. I'll say it again we can't afford to keep dishing out benefits, it's not all paid for with magic beans. A line has to be drawn somewhere and in principle I don't have an issue with lots of people being taken out of the benefits system - whether the test/criteria for making the decision is sound is another matter.
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So if you devolope a life changing illness, god forbid, the rest of society basicaly says sorry to hear about that but to hell with you, get on with it you aint having any free cash to help with your needs that you can no longer provide for yourself. You really are a silly selfish immature person. Do you have children?
 
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arknor said:
your trying to tell me anxiety and alcohol dependancy should be long term illness?
there are plenty of cases i can think of where people deserve DLA but they arent about "to die"
anxiety and alcoholics arent one of them.
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No, I am not saying they should be I am saying they potentially are. Cancer should not be a long-term illness (depending on variation) but it potentially may be.

Both anxiety and alcohol dependency can be long term illnesses that severely impinge on the way people can function normally. Your post said that because you can treat them and manage them then they should be excluded therefore your criteria excludes anyone who we could treat or manage. Or do you have sufficient medical knowledge to be able to weigh varying disease manifestations against each other on their particular effects? I am guessing you do not.
 
spankingtexan said:
So if you devolope a life changing illness, god forbid, the rest of society basicaly says sorry to hear about that but to hell with you, get on with it you aint having any free cash to help with your needs that you can no longer provide for yourself. You really are a silly selfish immature person. Do you have children?
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Nah I'm just giving my pov just because it isn't the same as yours doesn't mean you need to chuck the toys out if the pram.

It depends on the life changing illness... I've not stated that no one should receive benefits. Critical illness, severe physical disability - fine... Something like depression - erm no... and yes I'm aware that people trivialise it...
 
dowie said:
Nah I'm just saying I don't think it warrants free cash from the rest of society.
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I'm not trying to alienate you dowie but i'm struggling to see your logic, do you really feel comfortable with your view? Seriously man you may need help later in life yourself, how would you feell if you were unable to take care of yourself and society says they don't think you should recieve help?
Have you ever suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks?
How do you think people on here who have suffered mental and or physical disabilities feel when they see your posts. Seriously man, you need to stop feeling angry and slating a lifeline you may need to rely on yourself one day.
 
spankingtexan said:
I'm not trying to alienate you dowie but i'm struggling to see your logic, do you really feel comfortable with your view? Seriously man you may need help later in life yourself, how would you feell if you were unable to take care of yourself and society says they don't think you should recieve help?
Have you ever suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks?
How do you think people on here who have suffered mental and or physical disabilities feel when they see your posts. Seriously man, you need to stop feeling angry and slating a lifeline you may need to rely on yourself one day.
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Hear Hear !
 
Xordium said:
No, I am not saying they should be I am saying they potentially are. Cancer should not be a long-term illness (depending on variation) but it potentially may be.

Both anxiety and alcohol dependency can be long term illnesses that severely impinge on the way people can function normally. Your post said that because you can treat them and manage them then they should be excluded therefore your criteria excludes anyone who we could treat or manage. Or do you have sufficient medical knowledge to be able to weigh varying disease manifestations against each other on their particular effects? I am guessing you do not.
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but you can be on dla for both without the need for any kind of treatment or therapy which is a joke.

alcoholics get extra money added onto there benefits as it is why give them more money so they can be in a permanent drunk state and never have to work.

may aswell line up a bunch of donors for when there kidney/liver fail aswell , maybe give them a nice holiday to greece so they can drink some ouzo while they recover.
 
arknor said:
but you can be on dla for both without the need for any kind of treatment or therapy which is a joke.
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Any evidence for this at all?

arknor said:
alcoholics get extra money added onto there benefits as it is why give them more money so they can be in a permanent drunk state and never have to work.
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Oh sorry you'll have to point me in the direction of the benefits alcoholics receive. How does that work - "Ok I see you've claimed for this and this, by the way are you specifically an alcoholic because there is this benefit that we can give you if you are ...". Guess I missed that one: Alcoholism Benefit.

arknor said:
may aswell line up a bunch of donors for when there kidney/liver fail aswell , maybe give them a nice holiday to greece so they can drink some ouzo while they recover.
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Right ... :rolleyes:
 
Xordium said:
Any evidence for this at all?



Oh sorry you'll have to point me in the direction of the benefits alcoholics receive. How does that work - "Ok I see you've claimed for this and this, by the way are you specifically an alcoholic because there is this benefit that we can give you if you are ...". Guess I missed that one: Alcoholism Benefit.



Right ... :rolleyes:
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Well i'll be looking out for the Brandy vouchers then LOL!!!!!!
:D:D
 
Xordium said:
Any evidence for this at all?



Oh sorry you'll have to point me in the direction of the benefits alcoholics receive. How does that work - "Ok I see you've claimed for this and this, by the way are you specifically an alcoholic because there is this benefit that we can give you if you are ...". Guess I missed that one: Alcoholism Benefit.



Right ... :rolleyes:
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http://babyandbump.momtastic.com/general-chatter/361519-alcoholism-benefits-2.html#post5967378

suprisingly hard to find anything about it online but i know its 100% real .

i was told first hand by a person from the goverment that filled in my dla application for me
 
spankingtexan said:
I'm not trying to alienate you dowie but i'm struggling to see your logic, do you really feel comfortable with your view? Seriously man you may need help later in life yourself, how would you feell if you were unable to take care of yourself and society says they don't think you should recieve help?
Have you ever suffered from depression, anxiety and panic attacks?
How do you think people on here who have suffered mental and or physical disabilities feel when they see your posts. Seriously man, you need to stop feeling angry and slating a lifeline you may need to rely on yourself one day.
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No anger from this side... seems to be coming from the other side tbh.. judging from some of the posts. Like I've said already - yeah its sad that people get depressions, anxiety etc... I just don't think it warrants disability benefits. While I'm sure it would be nice to fund anyone with any condition that makes working difficult I'm simply not in favour of it that's all - I'd rather we reduced public spending on benefits and tried to reduce the big deficit we've built up as a country.

If I need help when I'm older I'll have to pay for it myself... and if it comes down to it, if/when I need a nursing home that will have to be paid for by myself including selling any assets I own - that's just the way it works for old folks and I don't have a massive issue with it (why should other people fund my existence if I have some means left of providing it myself) - you'll only get state funded care/retirement home once your assets/savings have been exhausted down to the minimum level. (this is side tracking slightly as people in this situation are not expected to work regardless of their physical condition/ability to work as they've passed the state pension age.)
 
read some of the other posts there funny guy.... next you will be laughing because someone tells you druggys get free methodone at the chemist.....
cant possible be true! .....

phone the benefits advice line and ask if you get extra benefits for beeing a registred alcoholic
 
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spankingtexan said:
Well i'll be looking out for the Brandy vouchers then LOL!!!!!!
:D:D
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I did get brandy vouchers, from the government, once well it was called a 'grant cheque' but it quickly turned into brandy vouchers ... well Stolichnya if I remember correctly not that I do remember much from that period.
 
dowie said:
No anger from this side... seems to be coming from the other side tbh.. judging from some of the posts. Like I've said already - yeah its sad that people get depressions, anxiety etc... I just don't think it warrants disability benefits. While I'm sure it would be nice to fund anyone with any condition that makes working difficult I'm simply not in favour of it that's all - I'd rather we reduced public spending on benefits and tried to reduce the big deficit we've built up as a country.

If I need help when I'm older I'll have to pay for it myself... and if it comes down to it, if/when I need a nursing home that will have to be paid for by myself including selling any assets I own - that's just the way it works for old folks and I don't have a massive issue with it (why should other people fund my existence if I have some means left of providing it myself) - you'll only get state funded care/retirement home once your assets/savings have been exhausted down to the minimum level. (this is side tracking slightly as people in this situation are not expected to work regardless of their physical condition/ability to work as they've passed the state pension age.)
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It's fortunate you are in a position to pay for your care if needed, not all are in such a priviliged position and you and your attitude to those who can't help themselfes makes me sick to the stomach, you are a vile person.
 
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