Ivybridge-E set for Q3 2013

[Dirtyganker]

Doubt it.

Quad/six core forever.

Very likely tbh.

I don't know why people keeping banging on about Intel not bring out 8 core CPUs when they already do - it's just not in the desktop segment, and thats basically because there is just no need for it by the masses, plus the 135w TDP of stuff like the Xeon E5 is actually a step in the opposite direction from the rest of the market.

I wish people would do their homework. If IB-E offers 8 cores I'd be amazed. The most significant aspects of IB-E are likely to be 22nm and DDR4, but I think even DDR4 might be a stretch.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I would put money on Ivybridge-E being 4/6/8 cores in increasing price. Current Sandybridge-E has the 2 cores disabled, so it's possible as we speak but disabled for TDP/Cost reasons i'm sure. With a die shrink i think the top end will be an 8 core chip, would be nice for workstations. I will be going for the/one of the 6 core variants.

 

[Dirtyganker]

I would put money on Ivybridge-E being 4/6/8 cores in increasing price. Current Sandybridge-E has the 2 cores disabled, so it's possible as we speak but disabled for TDP/Cost reasons i'm sure. With a die shrink i think the top end will be an 8 core chip, would be nice for workstations. I will be going for the/one of the 6 core variants.

I don't disagree completely, it's entirely possible, as like I said before there are already 8 core sku's outthere and in abundance - I just find it bizzarre when the less informed folk out there assume that they couldn't have an Intel 8 core, hyper-threaded Xeon version of their much loved i7 in their workstations today - they can, very much so.

The issue, I think, is that the continued pressure to lower TDP in the workstation space. Going beyond 4 cores does compromise that strategy in the mainstream space and we need to go beyond 22nm shrinks in order to start seeing some kind of synergy between more cores and lowering the TDP/core ratio, thus enabling more cores that would allow the same TDP threshold to be maintained.

The pressure here isn't just from the market, it's political also, and thats why I think IB-E won't see us with more than 6 cores still. Anyone that really does have the need for more than 6 cores can actually obtain sku's anyway to meet that requirement, just from a different product range. It's almost guaranteed that 8+ core IB-E based products will launch into the Xeon space in the same period.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I don't disagree completely, it's entirely possible, as like I said before there are already 8 core sku's outthere and in abundance - I just find it bizzarre when the less informed folk out there assume that they couldn't have an Intel 8 core, hyper-threaded Xeon version of their much loved i7 in their workstations today - they can, very much so.

The issue, I think, is that the continued pressure to lower TDP in the workstation space. Going beyond 4 cores does compromise that strategy in the mainstream space and we need to go beyond 22nm shrinks in order to start seeing some kind of synergy between more cores and lowering the TDP/core ratio, thus enabling more cores that would allow the same TDP threshold to be maintained.

The pressure here isn't just from the market, it's political also, and thats why I think IB-E won't see us with more than 6 cores still. Anyone that really does have the need for more than 6 cores can actually obtain sku's anyway to meet that requirement, just from a different product range. It's almost guaranteed that 8+ core IB-E based products will launch into the Xeon space in the same period.

Indeed, i have built many a workstation at work (IT for a design consultancy). But i think if Intel can sell the chip to the desktop/enthusiast market, at the TDP they're aiming for, they should. More $$$$ at the end of the day if they could sell an unlocked 8 core chip as workstation PCs would still use Xeon.

The thing is, they can do it, whether they do or not is another matter. I would be surprised if they don't, given the fact AMD are still pushing there "We have 8-cores" in desktop milarky, which we know is mostly marketing BS, Intel can wipe their smile off their faces with an 8-core desktop chip.

Either way, 6 core for me please at no more than £425 and i'll be on it in a heartbeat!

 

[Dirtyganker]

The thing is, they can do it, whether they do or not is another matter. I would be surprised if they don't, given the fact AMD are still pushing there "We have 8-cores" in desktop milarky, which we know is mostly marketing BS, Intel can wipe their smile off their faces with an 8-core desktop chip.

Since you'd have to be living under a rock if you weren't aware of Intel's ability to do more with less core, the whole AMD 8 core marketing means nothing - it's clearly not working as (most) people just aren't that stupid. Intel know this only too well and therefore won't feel obligated to release an 8 core sku specifically into the premium desktop space any time soon.

Either way, 6 core for me please at no more than £425 and i'll be on it in a heartbeat!

+1 to that !

 

[bemaniac]

Yeah I'd pay £425 for an IB-E that's about the limit of what I'd pay for a processor ever so lets see if any pricing leaks over the winter.

 

[MADMAN]

So amd wont be better on win 8?

What happen about all this talk about it performing better?

id love it to be true....amd needs a hand lately lol

 

[Kaapstad]

Yeah I'd pay £425 for an IB-E that's about the limit of what I'd pay for a processor ever so lets see if any pricing leaks over the winter.

I think intel will come up with IB-E replacements for the 3930k and 3960/3970x at the same price points. So it should be possible to pay a bit less than £425.

 

[Alkalinepro5]

Very likely tbh.

I don't know why people keeping banging on about Intel not bring out 8 core CPUs when they already do - it's just not in the desktop segment, and thats basically because there is just no need for it by the masses, plus the 135w TDP of stuff like the Xeon E5 is actually a step in the opposite direction from the rest of the market.

I wish people would do their homework. If IB-E offers 8 cores I'd be amazed. The most significant aspects of IB-E are likely to be 22nm and DDR4, but I think even DDR4 might be a stretch.

Ivy-E = Socket 2011, and therefore no new features. Intel have decided that 0.05% performance improvements from now on is all they need. They will keep creating huge architectural improvements, but they won't bother upping the specs of the CPUs. Why? Because AMD are no where and they rule the market.

SandyBridge physically has room for 8-cores, but Intel won't bother because they don't need to. Mugs will still pay £800-1000 for the 6-core.

Haswell will be the same. Some quad core with 3-5mb cache and a core clock of 3.3-3.4ghz which might OC 50mhz better than sandybridge, and offer no real world performance improvement.

Personally I think Ivybridge is a complete peice of crap. Sure clock-to-clock its what, 5% faster, however it clocks a good 300-350mhz worse than sandybridge on average when it comes to overclocking due to heat/stability issues.

I was impressed a bit by Sandybridge, but in all honesty nothing has really "rocked the boat" or moved the game forward since the Bloomfield release back in Nov 2008..

 

[Kaapstad]

Personally I think Ivybridge is a complete peice of crap. Sure clock-to-clock its what, 5% faster, however it clocks a good 300-350mhz worse than sandybridge on average when it comes to overclocking due to heat/stability issues.

+1

I hope they sort out the ocing problem with IB-E but with very little from AMD to compete against it is possible intel will do $£%^ all.

 

[Yaayuh!]

+1

I hope they sort out the ocing problem with IB-E but with very little from AMD to compete against it is possible intel will do $£%^ all.

As said a number of times now. You can't really compare the two chips, they're completely different.
However, where they solder or use TIM, no idea what the fabrication process will bring.

 

[padmdhs]

which cpu and mobo

Which cpu and mobo shall i go for i was going to go for a 3770k with a Asus P8Z77-V PRO mobo not so sure now after reading this lol

 

[jeff6475]

Which cpu and mobo shall i go for i was going to go for a 3770k with a Asus P8Z77-V PRO mobo not so sure now after reading this lol

I was gonna go 3770k + asus Max V formula but now im thinking 3820 and rampage formula

 

[edgedemon]

It's not just the CPU's that are better on LGA 2011, the mobo's are far superior to the Z77 boards etc. 2011 is the best choice for high end rigs imho, if Ivy E launches in 2013 just means 2011 has longer shelf life, I do not want to part with my X79 UD5, nicest mobo I ever used.. Look forward to 8 core Ivy chips .

as a very satisfied x79 owner, I agree with this wholeheartedly

 

[8 Pack]

Ivy-E = Socket 2011, and therefore no new features. Intel have decided that 0.05% performance improvements from now on is all they need. They will keep creating huge architectural improvements, but they won't bother upping the specs of the CPUs. Why? Because AMD are no where and they rule the market.

SandyBridge physically has room for 8-cores, but Intel won't bother because they don't need to. Mugs will still pay £800-1000 for the 6-core.

Haswell will be the same. Some quad core with 3-5mb cache and a core clock of 3.3-3.4ghz which might OC 50mhz better than sandybridge, and offer no real world performance improvement.

Personally I think Ivybridge is a complete peice of crap. Sure clock-to-clock its what, 5% faster, however it clocks a good 300-350mhz worse than sandybridge on average when it comes to overclocking due to heat/stability issues.

I was impressed a bit by Sandybridge, but in all honesty nothing has really "rocked the boat" or moved the game forward since the Bloomfield release back in Nov 2008..

Wrong my Ivy does 6.35 ghz and has no cold bug. SB= cold bug crap that does 5.7-5.8 with IMC like MR Puniverse!!!

Ivy is far superior in features too!!

Ivy is a great chip. IB-E no cold bug 8 cores 16t, strong IMC Vantage CPU score and 3D Physics goodness!!!

Having said all this X79 is by far my favourite format as it has so much more options to tweak.

 

[Surveyor]

Wrong my Ivy does 6.35 ghz and has no cold bug. SB= cold bug crap that does 5.7-5.8 with IMC like MR Puniverse!!!

You're not exactly a typical user though.

For the vast majority IB doesn't really offer anything over SB.

 

[Alkalinepro5]

Wrong my Ivy does 6.35 ghz and has no cold bug. SB= cold bug crap that does 5.7-5.8 with IMC like MR Puniverse!!!

Ivy is far superior in features too!!

Ivy is a great chip. IB-E no cold bug 8 cores 16t, strong IMC Vantage CPU score and 3D Physics goodness!!!

Won't have 8 cores dude, and are you using LN2 for that clock? O_o

Having said all this X79 is by far my favourite format as it has so much more options to tweak.

 

[Yaayuh!]

I wish people would stop calling it a Socket, they're not sockets anymore. LGA people LGA!

Wrong my Ivy does 6.35 ghz and has no cold bug. SB= cold bug crap that does 5.7-5.8 with IMC like MR Puniverse!!!

Ivy is far superior in features too!!

Ivy is a great chip. IB-E no cold bug 8 cores 16t, strong IMC Vantage CPU score and 3D Physics goodness!!!

Having said all this X79 is by far my favourite format as it has so much more options to tweak.

 

[jeff6475]

should tell the retailers that its not a socket OCUK for example call it (socket 2011) etc
Asus Rampage IV Formula Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard

 

[Dirtyganker]

So amd wont be better on win 8?

What happen about all this talk about it performing better?

id love it to be true....amd needs a hand lately lol

AMD 8 cores might work better, but than in no way means they're going to be catching Intel any time soon. I'd still take the cheapest available SB/IB K-sku processor over the top AMD offering any day.