Ministers discover private sector is rubbish

if i was a soldier who had been pulled off my annual leave i would want compensating, not them giving some money to help for heroes charity that i would never see. especially when HFH has been criticised recently as it doesnt help ex-soldiers.

i might be (and possibly am) wrong but i thought that they just hadnt made as much money from this, they didnt make a loss. after all, they failed to deliver but kept the cash we paid them, then gave some back.

They claim to have made a significant loss - we will have to wait until they publish their quarterly report until we find out exactly how much though.

Again, I'm not defending G4S. As far as I am concerned, they failed at what they were paid to do - lord knows how many times I phoned up retailers and given them an earbashing for doing the same thing. However, I think there is more to it than just saying "private sector are rubbish" blah blah blah.
 
So you feel there is not a pack mentality in stockhausen threads and that people don't jump on him irrespective of the quality of his contributions (which has gone up recently).

Frankly I'm not bothered whether there is one or not....regardless of whether his threads have any veracity or not, often his penchant for renaming everything and attacking everyone and everything that doesn't fit into his specific mindset overshadows anything pertinent he has to say.

And as for any improvement in his contributions......if you call making ad hoc personal attacks on several people in threads where he makes no other contribution improvement, then I suppose so!

As for this thread, the fact that G4S over stretched themselves has no bearing on the overall standard of service in the wider Private Sector, so some of the criticism is warranted.
 
Since the OP included a bit about railways...

Isn't it true that the best railways in the world are state owned/run?

And that ours - which has been private for years - is pretty much the worst in Europe?
 
Since the OP included a bit about railways...

Isn't it true that the best railways in the world are state owned/run?

And that ours - which has been private for years - is pretty much the worst in Europe?

I support a fully integrated state owned public transport system. It will never happen though.
 
Since the OP included a bit about railways...

Isn't it true that the best railways in the world are state owned/run?

And that ours - which has been private for years - is pretty much the worst in Europe?

iirc the Japanese train system is the best int he world and is privatized.
 
Frankly I'm not bothered whether there is one or not....regardless of whether his threads have any veracity or not, often his penchant for renaming everything and attacking everyone and everything that doesn't fit into his specific mindset overshadows anything pertinent he has to say.

And as for any improvement in his contributions......if you call making ad hoc personal attacks on several people in threads where he makes no other contribution improvement, then I suppose so!.

So two wrongs make a right then ...
 
So two wrongs make a right then ...

It's an Internet forum, not a treatise on relative morality. Make consistantly rubbish or biased threads, do not be surprised by the rubbish or biased contributions, there is no right or wrong about it. As for bullying, the only person I see who consistantly makes remarks that could be considered bullying in nature is the OP...if some of those he is so fond of attacking see an opportunity to level the playing field then so be it. We reap what we sow and all that malarky!!!

To be honest, no one in this thread has said anything uncalled for, besides the deleted comment by the OP presumably.

I'm sure the OPs inherrent ire will be aimed at me at some point, it often is even when it is his only contribution to a particular thread...and to limit the ironic nature of this post, that's all I have to say on the subject.
 
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More to do with the excellent and modern infrastructure they inherited and the way in which the privatisation was structured and is regulated.

This is ultimately the only relevant thread in the post.

The national rail system was in dire need of updating WHEN it was privatized, it hasn't gone downhill, it was downhill, we couldn't afford to bring it up to grade, we privatized it and they are charging us to make it better, and as any company, trying to increase profits also.

Comparing the rail, nhs, security to ANY other country is irrelevant. The question is what was the state of whatever particular service when it was privatised, the fact that its crap or good when private or public on its own is a useless measure.

If you take country A with service B which is public, pump billions into it from the start, have the best service in the world, then sell it, you'll almost certainly see privatized version of it do excellently. If you take country C with service D, it was poorly mismanaged, neglected underfunded then sold, if its not doing well when privatized you can't blame the private company and you CERTAINLY can't blame the entire private sector.

The really relevant question is, what state was it in when privatized, what state is it in now, what state would it be in if it were still public and what has changed in the service.

Has the private sector pumped more into the national rail network than the government could have afforded? Has the number of passengers gone up, has usage increased beyond a point an old system can cope well.

Randomly saying service A sucks and it didn't used to 15 years ago is proof of nothing.

I'm not saying the rail service is good or bad.

In terms of security for the games, G4S has made mistakes, did they make mistakes worse than the government would have? Was the 285million still 50mil less than the same service would have cost the army to provide? Would the government have not had enough people and had to last minute go to G4S for emergency personel for the games, and because of the short notice and being over a barrel negotiation wise, could G4S of ended up with a ridiculous amount of money for a far smaller number of people and the total cost of that plus army spending would have been double the 285mil?

No one here knows the answers to any of these but doesn't stop a certain someone chiming in with generic crap threads about anti Tory stuff as always.

Xordium, why do people jump on Stockjoke, quite simply because he is wrong, he didn't come in claiming G4S are a joke, he tried to imply ALL privatized services are inherently worse, and also implied Hunt was seeing the light, when all he's said was he won't consider privatized companies by default, that doesn't mean he doesn't still favour them, will chose them.

Hunt of course is one of the biggest morons around.
 
In hindsight, the better post would have been to suggest I get a little irate with a certain 'libertarian' and am maybe being a little hypocritical.

It wouldn't have been accurate if applied to me however.....I generally don't comment on Stockhausen's politics (I cant be bothered to decipher his sarcasm and naming conventions most of the time) and while he is consistant in his abuse toward me, I rarely initiate anything similar. In this thread I was only commenting on what you said and why people treat his threads the way they do, not on what I thought of the OPs ideology or particular gripe this time around. My last post was ironic in that I have contributed little to the thread, not that I was particularly hypocritical, to be so would mean I was guilty of attacking the OP directly and for no reason. Neither of which are true.
 
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