Tony Nicklinson loses right to die case

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Truly disgusting to let him suffer on like this. I watched a documentary about him with him saying if his case is unsucessful, he will be forced to starve himself at some point to ensure his wife does not get the blame and to finally end his suffering. Why in a modern society should a humans rights be dictated by outdated religious values to the point where he has to starve himself because someone else (who wont ever be able to truly apreciate the pain and suffering he is going through without experiancing it themselves) decided it goes against human rights, which by the way is truly pathetic reasoning on a moral standpoint when we put cat's, dogs and other pets to sleep because it is the "humane" thing to do.

The sad thing is euthanasia happens all the time in hospitals etc when a person is getting close to the end, to stop the pain they administer an overdose which lets them drift off peacefully and with as much diginity as they can muster, it just isnt registered as euphanasia. This happened to my grandad last year as he was dying of cancer. Was a bit surprised at first but respected the choice and knew it was the right one. My mum who works in the NHS also confirmed this sort of thing happens all the time.

We will never truly be a civilised society until people have the right to choose whether they live or die even if it is by another persons hand in my view.
 
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We offer more mercy to animals, if life is so precious how come we are so quick to start wars?

The SPUC group (anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia) that celebrated this are seem so illogical, but in reality know exactly what they are doing. They are pro life and pro misery to punish people for what they see as immoral lifestyles and a natural punishment from "God".

Because it's not really saving life that motivates most of them, it's using an unwanted pregnancy to punish someone for being sexually active. It's a form of control, and propaganda against others considering sexual activity.

Religion needs wiping out.
 
starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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they disagree and it's their body so why is it your right to tell them they should suffer because you think they deserve too?
 
Raymond Lin said:
He still has the right to die I thought, he just doesn't have the right to ask someone to help him and that doctor be immune to prosecution. Because by definition that doctor is murdering him, even if it is with his consent.
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In law he doesn't though. Even if he was able to do it unassisted, suicide is illegal. Docs will do things like turn life support off for people with no hope, even if its against their families will, but as long as you're able to experience pain and suffering on a conscious level they wont let you die.
 
starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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So being alive and being able to do nothing but think and move your eyes and also suffer discomfort/pain a lot of the time is better than being dead and at peace?
 
Wucked said:
In law he doesn't though. Even if he was able to do it unassisted, suicide is illegal. Docs will do things like turn life support off for people with no hope, even if its against their families will, but as long as you're able to experience pain and suffering on a conscious level they wont let you die.
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Dr's routinely administer enough morphine to "control the pain" as well as instructing family members not to give them above a certain amount because that is an overdose whilst leaving way above that amount.
 
starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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Oh my, you couldn't sound like more of a <insert derogatory term> if you tried.

Imagine the experience for a moment, 7+ years of just, not being able to do anything except grunt, breath and blink, you can't even eat or defecate without assistance and you're no longer a child.
You think able bodied people who get locked up have it bad? He's trapped in his own body.

It really, really makes me angry to hear this happen and I'm glad to see for the most part people here have the right views, unlike some weirdos.
 
Xordium said:
I need to look wider. I seem to be the only person here stating two very important things:

1) This is already happening in palliative care under the table. Have you seen the amount of opiates given compared to the accepted normal dosage ranges - that speaks volumes.

2) Under 18's have this decision made for them already all over the country every single day. Medical treatment weights act and omission of act equally.

Moreover, you are arguing against something on small chance of abuse. Shall we then stop prosecuting people for murder because of the travesties that happened eg Birmingham Six. Care to tell us how many times the service at Dignitas has been abused for financial gain because we can quite easily tell the number of people who have been allowed to benefit from a humane end to a troubled life.
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I agree with this, it is a fact that people are essentially finished off at the end of life with cancer etc, the amount of drugs, the suspension of feeding etc, it is all deciding and acting to end someone's life and no longer prolong it, the difference is the person has not got the power to ask someone to do it themselves. That seems deeply wrong.

He might not be terminally ill but there is clearly no gain for his family in him dying and with the proper regulation the law could be made to work..its not like 2340893 people will queue up asking to put granny down on day 1.
 
starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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Are you for real?

One wonders whether you'd feel the same if you were in a similar position!

"Shouldn't be allowed"... What a stupid thing to say!
 
starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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Woooot,really just really,so for example you somehow get your arms/legs chopped off,go blind and lose your hearing,you would be fine with your life.:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
pastymuncher said:
All these lefty pro-lifers are doing is making people suffer. Surely it should be within a persons own human rights to decide how they want to die?
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...Lefty? I think you'll find it's the right that tends to be pro life, liberals are far more likely to be pro choice. But hey, enjoy being associated with those nuts ;)

Raymond Lin said:
If it is allowed, it would open the law up to a huge hole. Can you imagine if Harold Shipman put up that defence? That those elderly men and women chosed to die, here is their signed (faked) document. Then he doesn't even need to hide the drugs in their system, just inject them with lots of morphine.
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All you would require is a third party witness or some form of trial to ascertain the mental health and willingness of the patient. It wouldn't just be a single form.

starfighter said:
I think being alive is better than being dead no matter what illness you have. assisted suicide shouldn't be allowed.
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That's easy to say when you're not the one suffering. It's his life, it should be his choice. Forcing him to starve himself to get what he wants is wanton cruelty.

You're religious, right?
 
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