British workers 'among worst idlers', suggest Tory MPs

Even if the government pays you to actually produce something useful, it doesn't mean you're going to produce it efficiently. Look at coal mining, it required billions of government subsidies to keep running because it was hugely inefficient and uncompetitive. The idea that you could have made it more efficient by giving the miners more holidays is ridiculous.

You're arguing my point of view.

You're saying it's hugely inefficient. So you think that giving the miners more holiday would make them even more inefficient?

Really kwerk? Really?

We're living in a world where people live longer but people are much more impatient!
If people worked 4 days a week, people would be happier. People would just have to wait longer for things.
 
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We live in a country where if you don't work you'll be fine.

Only because of massive debt which is running out.

If the Chinese were able to run a huge deficit every year I'm sure they could stop working too if they felt like it. Until someone notices and stops lending them money.
 
Only because of massive debt which is running out.

If the Chinese were able to run a huge deficit every year I'm sure they could stop working too if they felt like it. Until someone notices and stops lending them money.


No it's not it's because we have a stupid Nanny state that will go, Oh you don't want to work because you can't be arsed? Okay well if you turn up at the Job Centre once a week, look like you are trying to find a job, we'll give you some money. It's ridiculous, and the people who aren't lazy, who do work have to ****ing pay for it!
 
Even if the government pays you to actually produce something useful, it doesn't mean you're going to produce it efficiently. Look at coal mining, it required billions of government subsidies to keep running because it was hugely inefficient and uncompetitive. The idea that you could have made it more efficient by giving the miners more holidays is ridiculous.

Up to a point, inefficiency is moot.

You conveniently gloss over the fact that the mining industry was the backbone of the British economy and what led it to being the world's dominant force at one time.

Don't believe everything our beloved Maggie told us, even she wasn't above spinning the odd yarn to meet her own political gains.
 
No it's not it's because we have a stupid Nanny state that will go, Oh you don't want to work because you can't be arsed? Okay well if you turn up at the Job Centre once a week, look like you are trying to find a job, we'll give you some money. It's ridiculous, and the people who aren't lazy, who do work have to ****ing pay for it!

It's not quite that simple.

The people who aren't lazy are still benefiting from the debt. The job center guy goes and spends his benefits at the non-lazy guy's work, who get's taxed to pay for the lazy guy. But it's not quite enough so the government borrows a bit more money to put in the system. But then the hard-worker isn't producing quite enough either so he has to pay for things with a credit card. Everything gets inflated from this constant supply of new debt. Then finally it collapses and everyone gets hit.

I don't know if anyone has worked out the amount of work that would be required to keep it going without the new debt but I would guess it would be something like everyone working 100 hour weeks, for less pay. basically what Chinese people have to do. Making all those TVs, ipods, clothes yourself. Not only for your self but making them for everyone who has been promised a pension.

It's a big complicated circle of fail, but the key is ever increasing amounts of debt. It can't function without the debt.
 
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This is a result of incentive problems. A problem of welfare it that it destroys incentive and creats dependent class, the "don't feed the animals argument". The public sector is also known for being lazy and taking far longer to complete tasks that profit motivated individuals.
 
This is a result of incentive problems. A problem of welfare it that it destroys incentive and creats dependent class, the "don't feed the animals argument". The public sector is also known for being lazy and taking far longer to complete tasks that profit motivated individuals.

The wonderful world of groen.
 
what makes you say that?

your idea that 'the key is ever increasing amounts of debt.' is ridiculous tbh...

western capitalist economies don't necessarily need increasing debt
 
Brits are all about quality not quantity ;). No doubt we work less hours than most other countries, but we're still awesome right? I know my Turkish counterparts (company owned by a scary Turkish mega corp) work a solid 10 hour day but there's a reason our company still does all the heavy lifting when it comes to development even though we work 7 hour days.
 
what makes you say that?

your idea that 'the key is ever increasing amounts of debt.' is ridiculous tbh...

western capitalist economies don't necessarily need increasing debt

Possibly when they actually do the 'cut spending in good times' part of keynesian econimcs, which they haven't been doing.
 
what makes you say that?

your idea that 'the key is ever increasing amounts of debt.' is ridiculous tbh...

western capitalist economies don't necessarily need increasing debt

It's not just sovereign debt but consumer too. Look at how houses and stocks and everything has inflated it, it's dependent on ever increasing supply of new money (new debt) to keep it inflated.

My house is always going to be worth X millions hours of Chinese labour!

Only with a constant supply of new debt.
 
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