Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time

Richie said:
Say what?

Normally I struggle through your posts as they are usually always littered with crazy typos and erroneous full-stops etc which make them hard to read but this one is beyond me :o
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Fixed, sorry it's playing up more than normal. And delets every third or so letter I type. Obviously forgot to read that one back.
Only have to wait till upend of October and posts should get much better. Still won't be great mind you.
 
Glaucus said:
Not in the slightest.

You must giv dividends. No you really don't.
Harholders own everything and in complete control. No they really don't, at least you corrected yourself on that latter on.

Where have said anything which goes against the apple statement? I haven't. In fact it's supports exactly what I said.
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Just to clarify, I'm bored of explaining dividend and cash flow policy to you. If you don't understand how businesses operate and directors' management of shareholder expectations then fine. I was just being nice. Apple had too much money when they had $100bn, so now they've finally started paying dividends. Which supports the fact that the level of cash they had was not sensible.

If the reason you haven't understood is because you have some beef about bad things said about Apple then more fool you. Because it was just an observation.
 
I just assume you are typing on a phone or something similar. I know what it's like as no matter how good phones get, there ain't no substitute for a good keyboard....
 
Pudney said:
Just to clarify, I'm bored of explaining dividend and cash flow policy to you. If you don't understand how businesses operate and directors' management of shareholder expectations then fine. I was just being nice. Apple had too much money when they had $100bn, so now they've finally started paying dividends. Which supports the fact that the level of cash they had was not sensible.

If the reason you haven't understood is because you have some beef about bad things said about Apple then more fool you. Because it was just an observation.
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Beef I got no beef. I. Understand how it works and in that working there is no must. There is no reason to invest it needlesly as you seem to want. At least you have changed your stance a lot since earlier.

Suddenly it's not longer a waste having a huge cash pile, just 100billion is to much. That's not what you said earlier. All changes once you post apples statement and realize it doesn't support your view.


Richie said:
I just assume you are typing on a phone or something similar. I know what it's like as no matter how good phones get, there ain't no substitute for a good keyboard....
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iPad had a very dodgy repair, which broke it more. Sometimes it's ok, other times I want to chuck it against the wall. Get random phantom presses anywhere. But especially on dell, space, q,w keys.

After America I can't really afford to get it fixed properly and it's not really economical to get it repaired either, especially as I'm ditching apple when win8 comes.
 
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Glaucus said:
Suddenly it's not longer a waste having a huge cash pile, just 100billion is to much. That's not what you said earlier. All changes once you post apples statement and realize it doesn't support your view.
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First post

retain so much cash
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Second post was just about recognition of cash on balance sheets from an accounting point of you (I didn't want to bore by mentioning IAS and the like) and alternatives to saving.

Third post, ooh look a typo.

I'm not suggseting they shouldn't keep reserves behind
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Directors should therefore strike a balance between returning money that isn't needed whislt retaining enough
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Fifth post

holding money to an extreme isn't a good thing
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Seriously, you need to read a post and read what it says. From the outset you have completely ignored what I've said and gone all hissy fit on something I didn't say.
 
And in context. Must givers turn to shareholders. No you don't. And be honest you were not taking about a few billion. You thought they should give most of it away, while keeping a small percentage back. How about the buying assets comment, hmm they do.

So basically what were saying is we both agree and that neither of us can put our point across. And that the companies doesn't have to do anything, investing it isn't always the best option and that withholding large sums is not extreme as long as they invest what's needed.

Also I've never had a problem with divends, just your assertion that it's a must. It's also not new divedends, they did it last year, well before the start of this thread.
 
I do wonder if/when the apple bubble will bust. Our company ahs stopped supporting Iphone because of the constraints of iOS severely limited what we wanted to do, to such an extent we cannot physically release the software we want to release on that platform. Even when finding work around the apple store tends to reject the app. Android downloads also outnumbered iphone downloads by 2-3 times and the gap was getting bigger month by month. We are struggling to find staff of sufficient caliber (so much for a recession, it is impossible to hire a good developer right now!) so all iphone developments have been axed.
 
Glaucus said:
And in context. Must givers turn to shareholders. No you don't. And be honest you were not taking about a few billion. You thought they should give most of it away, while keeping a small percentage back. How about the buying assets comment, hmm they do.

So basically what were saying is we both agree and that neither of us can put our point across. And that the companies doesn't have to do anything, investing it isn't always the best option and that withholding large sums is not extreme as long as they invest what's needed.

Also I've never had a problem with divends, just your assertion that it's a must. It's also not new divedends, they did it last year, well before the start of this thread.
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Seeing as you know what I mean better than I do feel free to quote where I said they must pay all their cash as a dividend.
 
When you reach the point Apple has, it really can't go too much higher, which means that it stagnates, which means no one is making money.

So the Investors find something else to deal with that has higher profitability.

Obviously though when the price goes down, its anyone's game if it continues or just goes back up again.
 
Robbo said:
I find it odd that some people care so much about what products other people buy. Do they have nothing better to worry about?
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I do, i just wanted to make a passing comment but you wanted to drag me into a long debate that to be quite frank i couldn't give a toss about because it's not worth spending that much time on it. People can buy whatever they like, but some choices people make baffle me, that's just what i was saying.
 
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Van Hellseek said:
Just a shame their products are all design over usefulness.
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As somebody who happily jumped on the "Hate Apple bandwagon" years back, having recently got an iPhone 4s (because my fiancee thought me daft paying £40+ per mth on a pay as you go) I have changed my view entirely.

I wish I'd got it a long time ago.
 
Owning an iPhone 3GS (no money to upgrade) and iPad 3 I couldn't never say I hate Apple or Apple's gadgets but I definitely don't agree with some of their methods. Sure it makes them more money but sometimes it just feels to me Apple is turning into the old MS. Things like Amazon Kindle and newspaper apps having to remove links to buy books etc unless they pay Apple 30% rather annoys me.

But what probably annoys me more is the people who will defend Apple or any company no matter what decision they make even if it hurts them as a consumer.
 
Glaucus said:
Same as the other ecosystems, just better. It's the reason I won't I get android tablet. I can't buy films on it.
It's apps/music/books/films, ecosystem is the entire media collection. Not only can you not buy films the app store is worse, but it's closed a lot recently and is good enough to use on phone. It's still very poor on tablet.

Windows store is great for media but lacking apps. Hopfully should change fast with MS backing and the massive win8 install base

As for people saying apple products aren't functional or style over function, that is complete twaddle.
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You can buy apps, books and movies on Google Play. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
 
ThePirateHulk said:
You can buy apps, books and movies on Google Play. Not sure where you're getting your info from.
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Where did I say you can't buy any off those. I specifically said BuY films. Which is an essential service for me. I stay away a lot with work, I also have a lot of fee time at work, sometimes in extremely poor mobile Internet coverage area. It's a essential service, especially as tablets are media devices. Androids lack of films is extremely odd for a media device.
Without that service it is not a viable phone or tablet Os for me. Although I do use android to make the tv smart and play Netflix, as it's cheap and does the job.

ThePirateHulk said:
It's apples way of getting to to spend hundreds of pounds on top of what you paid for your phone and your plan which you then lose if you ever decide to leave their little garden of Eden.
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Why the spin, do you think you can transfer your android apps? No you would Lose them as well. Everysystem has an ecosystem that ties you in, be it apple, android or windows. At least with apple they have windows software awning you can use media on pc.
 
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Apple becomes most valuable firm of all time
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3 pages and no one has posted this? I'm disappointed, unless ya'll were waiting for me to post it? :p

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Glaucus said:
Why the spin, do you think you can transfer your android apps? No you would Lose them as well. Everysystem has an ecosystem that ties you in, be it apple, android or windows. At least with apple they have windows software awning you can use media on pc.
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Unfortunately with Apple they corral you into using just their products often to the detriment of the user experience. They actively remove functionality and then re-introduce it as pay to use. They also market substandard devices at the same (more often higher) pricing than parallel items from competitors.

I have consistently found Apples user experience to be degrading in quality the more they actively attempt to define how and where the consumers should use it. They have pretty devices but they are not excellent devices and their ecosystem is restrictive and condescending.
 
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