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GTX 660 Ti for £243 worth it?

tommybhoy said:
You forgot:

(3) I got my gpu for an absolute steal at the time.;)

But yes, they are/were shockingly expensive.

Is the red team out?

As bang for buck is in a different league at the moment buckster.



I'm actually reminded of a certain poster with a twisted mix of Rod Sterling thrown in for good measure:

'There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition. Tonight we are venturing into a planet called Earth where Nvidia are the underdogs, Bhavv switched on his PC and logged into OcUK's forums and began arguing with Nvidia users...'
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Yeah, but why do you like to classify people by what cards they use?

"nVidia users", it implies some automatic affinity with the brand that people use.

I'm not an "AMD user", I have an AMD graphics card because it suits my needs at a price I'm happy to pay for.

My posts have nothing to do with AMD, I am critical of AMD when it's deserving, same as nVidia. It just happens to be less common when it comes to AMD graphics.

If you want to talk about AMD CPUs, then it's a different matter. I won't touch an AMD CPU for high end computing, with a bargepole, because they simply can't compete at the moment. I was interested in bulldozer initially before any solid bench marks came out (for 8 cores) and upon release, I lost interest because they're lemons, and I will only buy Intel until AMD can complete.

Does that now make me an "intel" user who is automatically biased against any AMD related products? As if it does.
 
humbug said:
nvidia IMO are every bit as good as AMD cards, the competition between them is as good as something like that could possibly get, nvidia are no underdogs.

Its simply that AMD tend to be cheaper performance vs performance.

Its just a real shame that right now AMD can't do the same with CPU's in terms of performance.

But hopefully they will catch up enough with Piledriver.
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Exactly, I don't buy AMD because I've got this unhealthy relationship with AMD products, I buy what gives me the best performance for they money, and at the moment. So when it comes to CPUs, I will buy the best performance for the money, AMD can't compete there at the moment so it's a no buy.
 
spoffle said:
Exactly, I don't buy AMD because I've got this unhealthy relationship with AMD products, I buy what gives me the best performance for they money, and at the moment. So when it comes to CPUs, I will buy the best performance for the money, AMD can't compete there at the moment so it's a no buy.
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Its why i'm stuck with an old Thuban, if i up?-grade to an FX-8150 even i will fall off a cliff and break my legs.

But the Thuban is still serving me well, so AMD have another chance to get it right this time round, if not i will have no choice but to say good bye to a 12 year AMD relationship, i will go back to Intel if i don't get cost for performance from AMD, right now Ivy Bridge IS better cost for performance, Hell Bulldozer is to the point where modern demands on FP is so that it just cannot keep up.
 
Debating about a 660ti compared to a 670 as the extra £50 would go a long way to keeping me in food and petrol during the month! i think I'll wait to see if prices settle £20-30 less than they are now.
 
spoffle said:
Yeah, but why do you like to classify people by what cards they use?

"nVidia users", it implies some automatic affinity with the brand that people use.

I'm not an "AMD user", I have an AMD graphics card because it suits my needs at a price I'm happy to pay for.
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I think your confusing my references to 'Nvidia/Amd users' with 'Nvidia/Amd fanbois'.

Right now I'm using an AMD gpu for gaming-this is the gfx section afterall, where we are talking about gaming performance on the whole, not the cpu section, so that makes me an AMD user, your using an AMD gpu...

...see where that goes?

I cringe when I see waffle about drivers and such due to the arguments that can and usually ensue, but in some of the threads you have posted in, imho, you tend to go off on one and since we share the same vendor, quite frankly it's embarrassing.

If it makes you feel better, I don't believe in the driver hype using both on a daily basis between work/home-it's plain to see that 99% of AMD driver moaners have a green card in their rig.

Peace and love and all that.:)
 
gregster said:
Sorry I got bored reading that.
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Sure you did.



You argue with yourself now. You are not an AMD "user" but you "use" an AMD card? That is like me saying "I don't drive but I do drive a car"...Crazy huh?
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Intentional misunderstanding now too? You're on a roll!


You know full well that's not what I meant, considering your example you changed the wording. You misrepresented what I said. That's a strawman argument.

Owning an AMD graphics card doesn't define you as an AMD user, that's my point.
 
spoffle said:
Sure you did.





Intentional misunderstanding now too? You're on a roll!


You know full well that's not what I meant, considering your example you changed the wording. You misrepresented what I said. That's a strawman argument.

Owning an AMD graphics card doesn't define you as an AMD user, that's my point.
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I changed nothing fella, it was your statement. I define myself as an Nvidia user on the basis I have an Nvidia card in this computer.

Maybe you have had issues with AMD, so you would rather distance yourself from being a user but don't want the embarrassment of telling us that?
 
tommybhoy said:
I think your confusing my references to 'Nvidia/Amd users' with 'Nvidia/Amd fanbois'.
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It wasn't a confusion, it seemed like you were equating them to being one in the same.

Right now I'm using an AMD gpu for gaming-this is the gfx section afterall, where we are talking about gaming performance on the whole, not the cpu section, so that makes me an AMD user, your using an AMD gpu...
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As above, that wasn't my argument, it was about defining a person as a "brand" user, it tends to have certain implications along with it.

As for the CPU discussion, it was a point about how I'm not some blind AMD fan who only buys AMD because I've got this crazy single sided love affair with them. Gregster would have you believe my criticisms of nVidia are because of AMD, don't you find that cringe worthy? If I did anything "because" of AMD, I'd be all over their CPUs and going on about how great they were and how intel sucks.


I cringe when I see waffle about drivers and such due to the arguments that can and usually ensue, but in some of the threads you have posted in, imho, you tend to go off on one and since we share the same vendor, quite frankly it's embarrassing.
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This is my point, what has it got to do with whether we have the same brand graphics cards in our computers? Why should that matter or have any bearing against what I've said? If you cringe, you should cringe regardless of what's in your PC. Hence my points on how it shouldn't define you as an enthusiast.

As for going off on one, I don't believe I do, to be honest. I might make long posts, but I don't spread misinformation or say things that aren't true. Maybe people don't like their arguments or "opinions" being challenged, that could be where all the sore bottoms are coming from.

If it makes you feel better, I don't believe in the driver hype using both on a daily basis between work/home-it's plain to see that 99% of AMD driver moaners have a green card in their rig.

Peace and love and all that.:)
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It's all about the informed opinion, if you're coming out with anecdotes to support claims that aren't true, I will generally say something about it.

Sensible people don't believe the driver hype, but some people have a really hard time accepting it. Some people even go as far as to ignore anything nVidia related, and continue on the same ol' rhetoric of how AMD drivers are awful.

Some people don't like their views being challenged, some people can't handle it and get personally offended when some one tells them they think they're wrong. That seems to be the problem with Gregster. Notice how I haven't once accused him of being some sort of nVidia fanboy, yet he's constantly suggesting I'm an AMD one? Yet I'm the one with some sort of issue here?

Sore bottoms, can't handle sarcasm and all that stuff. I haven't even been offensive to people, unless disagreeing and taking the time to explain why is considered offensive nowadays.
 
gregster said:
I changed nothing fella, it was your statement. I define myself as an Nvidia user on the basis I have an Nvidia card in this computer.

Maybe you have had issues with AMD, so you would rather distance yourself from being a user but don't want the embarrassment of telling us that?
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Of course you did, because I didn't say "I don't drive but I do drive a car" .

I was pointing out that having an AMD graphics card doesn't label or define me as an AMD user. There are implications with any labelling of "*brand* user". It has connotations of exclusivity.
 
spoffle said:
That seems to be the problem with Gregster. Notice how I haven't once accused him of being some sort of nVidia fanboy, yet he's constantly suggesting I'm an AMD one? Yet I'm the one with some sort of issue here?
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You have not once accused me of being an Nvidia Fanboy and I have not constantly suggested you are an AMD fanboy.

My issue with you is (in this thread at least) Not letting anyone else have an opinion on PhysX. I refer to your original statement of "Physx is a joke and never worth paying for". Some like myself are happy with PhysX and feel it is a great addition. Sorry if this is not in your line of thinking but it is in mine.

The OP asked was it worth trading across? I said no. You said PhysX is a joke and not worth paying for. If you had put it "I feel PhysX is a joke and not worth paying for" then at least that would be representative of your opinion and not based on fact.
 
spoffle said:
Of course you did, because I didn't say "I don't drive but I do drive a car" .

I was pointing out that having an AMD graphics card doesn't label or define me as an AMD user. There are implications with any labelling of "*brand* user". It has connotations of exclusivity.
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Interesting you avoided my thoughts on you having issues with AMD ;)
 
gregster said:
You have not once accused me of being an Nvidia Fanboy and I have not constantly suggested you are an AMD fanboy.
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Despite the implications that my opinions on nVidia have something to do with AMD.

My issue with you is (in this thread at least) Not letting anyone else have an opinion on PhysX. I refer to your original statement of "Physx is a joke and never worth paying for". Some like myself are happy with PhysX and feel it is a great addition. Sorry if this is not in your line of thinking but it is in mine.
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If it's not an informed opinion, if you want to express uninformed opinions, you should expect that some one may correct you on it. As we established, I'm not saying "PhysX" is crap, we're talking about the hardware assisted PhysX.

I pointed out what they've done to make it look like you need a GPU for the effects (linked you to that article), and that very few games even use hardware PhysX.

None hardware PhysX is just a bog standard physics API, there's no reason to mess around with it as there's nothing to prove. It's always been hardware PhysX.

Which isn't worth paying for (I'm speaking objectively here) look at BCBF2, and BF3, the physics in the frostbite engine are very good, they don't need a GPU to assist them, and physics in the Frostbite engine are comparable to how hardware PhysX looks and behaves. Point being that it's just a gimmick.

See my point on how PhysX is being used poorly to sell hardware? Hardware PhysX is a joke, it's being ruined by nVidia.

I'm not telling you not to like the effects that you get with it, it's wider than that. However, no one should be supportive of proprietary things like this becuase it's only good to nVidia. It's not good for the customer.

I'm all for game changing physics that REALLY need to use the GPU to process them, the way PhysX was originally portrayed by Ageia all those years ago. It's not happened yet, and it never will until there's a hardware physics standard that any GPU can run. A games developer isn't going to put that in a game if it's restricted to people with a certain brand of graphics card.

It's not how it works, and is the exact reason that all PhysX implementations now are just tacked on particle effects, nothing that really changes the game's workings.

The OP asked was it worth trading across? I said no. You said PhysX is a joke and not worth paying for. If you had put it "I feel PhysX is a joke and not worth paying for" then at least that would be representative of your opinion and not based on fact.
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Opinions need disclaimers now?! Despite that, I backed up my perspective didn't I? We're talking about hardware physics.


gregster said:
Interesting you avoided my thoughts on you having issues with AMD ;)
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It's not interesting, and I didn't avoid it. It didn't seem like it really warranted a response, since you're pushing though. I've had little to no problems with any graphics cards I've had, AMD or nVidia that weren't a result of PEBKAC.
 
What's the point in quoting my post, to not actually respond?

There's nothing else to really say otherwise in this thread out side of PhysX discussions, but too many people are getting sore bottoms from reading things they don't like.
 
Christ - has all that arguing even answered The guys question??!

I have little experience with physx, but the borderlands 2 vids look great.

I don't know if I would switch to a 660ti for it though. For £230 I would probably opt for the extra grunt of a 7950. Or spend a little more for the 670 if you do want physx.
 
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