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Hi Guys,

I've recently started writing again for the first time in about 17 years, I'm only 29 as well. Personally I'm really interested in writing for the science fiction and fantasy genres, however my current work in progress is a high concept fantasy piece that I have had in my head for about the past 6 years...

So it got me thinking; are there any other forum users here that are either professional, aspiring or published, or recreational writers here? And if so what do you write about?
 
I'm a published writer & reviewer, and would love to have a novel or monograph out one day (I mean who wouldn't?). Career-wise I'd love to go into academia or literary/music criticism, or one of the attendant secondary industries, e.g. publishing or literary agencies.

Do you read much in the genres you are interested in? Having a good grip of the classics is invaluable for most writers - even if they are not overt influences.
 
I have a growing number of published things out there. Over the last few years I've written copy, reviews, short stories (one of which has been filmed), screenplays, articles - you name it. Before that I never really wrote anything, so I've had to start from scratch. I gave away free copies of my first ebook on OcUK last year. Currently, I'm adding the finishing touches to my second book and I'll probably do a similar promotion this year.

I'm very much learning as I go.

How much have you written of your SF piece?
 
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Wow, I didn't actually expect there to be more than maybe one other person with an interest in writing on these forums, you live and learn heh?

InKursion I do love to read and have read many fantasy and science fiction books over the years, I'm currently into reading some of the Star Wars titles and some of them are surprisingly well written such as the Darth Bane trilogy.

Lucy Bee, Edrof what kind of things do you write and can you offer any tips for a budding writer such as myself that may be of help?

Would any of you be interested in critiquing the opening page of my work in progress, despite being a very rough first draft? I have already done so on another forum but I don't believe any of them to actually be published.
 
I'm a published writer & reviewer, and would love to have a novel or monograph out one day (I mean who wouldn't?).

A monograph? I hope it'll be on types of cigar ash, the taxinomy of lesser spotted weevils, phrenology as a pastime or something equally arcane to merit the title of monograph. There's something wonderfully old fashioned about the word as a descriptor for a type of publication.

Vidar: I'm not an author, I'm with Leo Rosten on this one - "The only reason for being a professional writer is that you can't help it." but for whatever it is worth I'd be happy to look over your work and give any comments I can think of.
 
Lucy Bee, Edrof what kind of things do you write and can you offer any tips for a budding writer such as myself that may be of help?

Would any of you be interested in critiquing the opening page of my work in progress, despite being a very rough first draft? I have already done so on another forum but I don't believe any of them to actually be published.

Sure, feel free to post a section if you want. When I started writing it was mainly for other people (and to hard deadlines) so when it came to having a stab at a book I wanted the subject matter to be light and interesting. Since childhood I've loved researching the macabre ghost stories and mysteries that Britain does in spades, so, as a sort of experiment in authorship, I chose that. The first title is doing fairly well, hence a second along the same lines. I'm looking forward to getting into some fiction soon, though.

You should look at Amazon's Kindle Direct Publishing service. To master it takes a lot of work, but you retain complete control over your projects and also earn a massive royalty percentage compared to bricks and mortar publishing deals. Nowadays, I'm not sure that I would ever choose a traditional publisher.
 
I'm with Leo Rosten on this one - "The only reason for being a professional writer is that you can't help it." but for whatever it is worth I'd be happy to look over your work and give any comments I can think of.

Ha ha, that's almost the exact reason why I plunged into the depths.

Vidar, Semi-pro is a great help with this kind of thing. (Sorry for the lazy double post.)
 
I have a growing number of published things out there. Over the last few years I've written copy, reviews, short stories (one of which has been filmed), screenplays, articles - you name it. Before that I never really wrote anything, so I've had to start from scratch. I gave away free copies of my first ebook on OcUK last year. Currently, I'm adding the finishing touches to my second book and I'll probably do a similar promotion this year.

I'm very much learning as I go.

How much have you written of your SF piece?

Was waiting for you to post.

I think I've got Edrof's book somewhere, vaguely remember it being quite good.

Good to hear its going well. OP his knowledge is probably great. I vaguely remember you getting close to top of amazon chart because of the OcUK promotion...

kd
 
I was s'posed to be writing a book but got as far as writing untold stuff & not knowing where or how to put it all together. I'll go back to it one day I s'pose.
 
Okay as I've already mentioned this is the very first page of my first rough draft, I'm already aware that some of my sentences are too long and that my final paragraph is a bit too chunky, but I will address all that when I come to do the first re work. I don't want to be endlessly tinkering with it...

What I'm most concerned about is does it compel you to read on and how do you feel about the imagery? Please be brutally honest, I really want to make a proper go of this!







The handle of the dagger felt coarse and rough like tree bark in his hand but what was more prominent was the warm and wet sensation from the torrent of blood that coursed liberally from the wound he had inflicted on his victim; this victim was familiar to him and the look of pure unadulterated horror spurred him on as he withdrew the blade before burying it again, savagely, into the other mans stomach. An agonized scream then gurgling and now the smell of blood filled his senses and then the victim whom he knew so well expired, it was only then that he noticed the other mans now lifeless hand clasped loosely around his throat. The body slumped backwards from the blade and landed flat upon the floor with a dull thud. He looked down at his blood stained hands the dagger falling from his grip but in the place of remorse or guilt he felt a sickening sense of satisfaction and the sense of a cruel smile on his lips.




Savaric virtually leaped out of his bed as if forced by some unseen entity and slid down the coarse surface of his bed chambers wall not noticing his now grazed skin, this dream was unlike any he had experienced before and it had felt so real, so horrifying. The man he had viciously murdered had felt very familiar to him but Savaric had no knowledge of who this man was, as his mind struggled to regain its composure more details began to make their presence known, in his dream his skin had been darker but perhaps that had been a trick of the light but still the scar on the palm of his hand was totally alien to him though he looked at his hands through the pale light just to be sure.




Within a few moments he heard heavy footsteps approaching from outside of his door before the slow creaking of it opening. His father peered around the door with a glow of candle light surrounding him like a shroud "Are you okay my son?" Magnus asked in a hushed but gruff sounding voice, he looked at the man sat against the far wall. "I am sorry father, I had a terrible dream. It scared me". "Well son you know it was just a dream so get back in to bed and if it's still bothering you we will talk in the morning" The words may have sounded mildly uncaring to someone who did not know the short but stocky man but Savaric knew all too well that his father cared far more than he would often visibly show, but Magnus no doubt thought he was probably smothering the other man. As Magnus moved away returning the room too its dim haze the door creaked slowly shut Savaric raised himself from the floor and crawled back into bed noting the cold and damp sensation from his under sheet and pulled the heavy woollen blanket back over him. He lay there motionless for a few moments before rolling onto his side and stuffing his pillow under his head, he had an uneasy feeling, still, but the beckoning call of sleep soon took over him; Savaric slept soundly for the remainder of the night.
 
A monograph? I hope it'll be on types of cigar ash, the taxinomy of lesser spotted weevils, phrenology as a pastime or something equally arcane to merit the title of monograph. There's something wonderfully old fashioned about the word as a descriptor for a type of publication.

Vidar: I'm not an author, I'm with Leo Rosten on this one - "The only reason for being a professional writer is that you can't help it." but for whatever it is worth I'd be happy to look over your work and give any comments I can think of.

Haha! It'll probably be on intellectual history, or a particularly abstruse corner of modernist/postmodernist fiction and theory. The term 'monograph' is used quite a lot to denote a published, book-length scholarly study by an academic, into an area of their particular specialism/expertise. I'd love to have something like that to my name by age 30!
 
The handle of the dagger felt coarse and rough like tree bark in his hand but what was more prominent was the warm and wet sensation from the torrent of blood that coursed liberally from the wound he had inflicted on his victim; this victim was familiar to him and the look of pure unadulterated horror spurred him on as he withdrew the blade before burying it again, savagely, into the other mans stomach. An agonized scream then gurgling and now the smell of blood filled his senses and then the victim whom he knew so well expired, it was only then that he noticed the other mans now lifeless hand clasped loosely around his throat. The body slumped backwards from the blade and landed flat upon the floor with a dull thud. He looked down at his blood stained hands the dagger falling from his grip but in the place of remorse or guilt he felt a sickening sense of satisfaction and the sense of a cruel smile on his lips.

As you've already pointed out your sentences are perhaps a little too long. Maybe slightly too much emphasis on description, imagery and flowery language but it depends on your aim as that is simply how some people write - if it's what works for you then go with it.

Savaric virtually leaped out of his bed as if forced by some unseen entity and slid down the coarse surface of his bed chambers wall not noticing his now grazed skin, this dream was unlike any he had experienced before and it had felt so real, so horrifying. The man he had viciously murdered had felt very familiar to him but Savaric had no knowledge of who this man was, as his mind struggled to regain its composure more details began to make their presence known, in his dream his skin had been darker but perhaps that had been a trick of the light but still the scar on the palm of his hand was totally alien to him though he looked at his hands through the pale light just to be sure.

You mention coarse twice in successive paragraphs, I'd be tempted to substitute one or other for another word - rough/raw/unfinished/undressed stone etc. Same for horror and horrifying. Why/how does he end up sliding down his bed chamber wall? Did he get out of bed and then collapse - if so why that and not just "staring round wild eyed as he tried to regain his composure"? I don't know precisely the effect you're going for but it's all questions that you could be thinking about. How and why did he scar his palm - was it in the dream fight and it became real (a transference from the dream state) or did he simply cut himself thrashing about or something else entirely?

Within a few moments he heard heavy footsteps approaching from outside of his door before the slow creaking of it opening. His father peered around the door with a glow of candle light surrounding him like a shroud "Are you okay my son?" Magnus asked in a hushed but gruff sounding voice, he looked at the man sat against the far wall. "I am sorry father, I had a terrible dream. It scared me". "Well son you know it was just a dream so get back in to bed and if it's still bothering you we will talk in the morning" The words may have sounded mildly uncaring to someone who did not know the short but stocky man but Savaric knew all too well that his father cared far more than he would often visibly show, but Magnus no doubt thought he was probably smothering the other man. As Magnus moved away returning the room too (wrong "to" and the sentence feels a bit rambling) its dim haze the door creaked slowly shut Savaric raised himself from the floor and crawled back into bed noting the cold and damp sensation from his under sheet and pulled the heavy woollen blanket back over him. He lay there motionless for a few moments before rolling onto his side and stuffing his pillow under his head, he had an uneasy feeling, still, but the beckoning call of sleep soon took over him; Savaric slept soundly for the remainder of the night.

The speech between father and son sounds a little bit clunky and forced but that's probably partly the lack of formatting to make it read better and partly due to a lack of refinement in an early draft. I'm guessing but is the story set in the middle ages? The story could well be quite interesting but it's difficult to judge based on a few hundred words just how promising it could be. Do you have an idea of the story arc and what you're hoping to convey to the reader already?

Feel free to ignore any and all comments above, they're just first thoughts and I'm not a writer so any views should be taken under advisement since I don't really know what I'm talking about.

Haha! It'll probably be on intellectual history, or a particularly abstruse corner of modernist/postmodernist fiction and theory. The term 'monograph' is used quite a lot to denote a published, book-length scholarly study by an academic, into an area of their particular specialism/expertise. I'd love to have something like that to my name by age 30!

Sounds interesting - if you do write one I rather suspect I'd like to read it.
 
Okay as I've already mentioned this is the very first page of my first rough draft, I'm already aware that some of my sentences are too long and that my final paragraph is a bit too chunky, but I will address all that when I come to do the first re work. I don't want to be endlessly tinkering with it...

What I'm most concerned about is does it compel you to read on and how do you feel about the imagery? Please be brutally honest, I really want to make a proper go of this!







The handle of the dagger felt coarse and rough like tree bark in his hand but what was more prominent was the warm and wet sensation from the torrent of blood that coursed liberally from the wound he had inflicted on his victim; this victim was familiar to him and the look of pure unadulterated horror spurred him on as he withdrew the blade before burying it again, savagely, into the other mans stomach. An agonized scream then gurgling and now the smell of blood filled his senses and then the victim whom he knew so well expired, it was only then that he noticed the other mans now lifeless hand clasped loosely around his throat. The body slumped backwards from the blade and landed flat upon the floor with a dull thud. He looked down at his blood stained hands the dagger falling from his grip but in the place of remorse or guilt he felt a sickening sense of satisfaction and the sense of a cruel smile on his lips.




Savaric virtually leaped out of his bed as if forced by some unseen entity and slid down the coarse surface of his bed chambers wall not noticing his now grazed skin, this dream was unlike any he had experienced before and it had felt so real, so horrifying. The man he had viciously murdered had felt very familiar to him but Savaric had no knowledge of who this man was, as his mind struggled to regain its composure more details began to make their presence known, in his dream his skin had been darker but perhaps that had been a trick of the light but still the scar on the palm of his hand was totally alien to him though he looked at his hands through the pale light just to be sure.




Within a few moments he heard heavy footsteps approaching from outside of his door before the slow creaking of it opening. His father peered around the door with a glow of candle light surrounding him like a shroud "Are you okay my son?" Magnus asked in a hushed but gruff sounding voice, he looked at the man sat against the far wall. "I am sorry father, I had a terrible dream. It scared me". "Well son you know it was just a dream so get back in to bed and if it's still bothering you we will talk in the morning" The words may have sounded mildly uncaring to someone who did not know the short but stocky man but Savaric knew all too well that his father cared far more than he would often visibly show, but Magnus no doubt thought he was probably smothering the other man. As Magnus moved away returning the room too its dim haze the door creaked slowly shut Savaric raised himself from the floor and crawled back into bed noting the cold and damp sensation from his under sheet and pulled the heavy woollen blanket back over him. He lay there motionless for a few moments before rolling onto his side and stuffing his pillow under his head, he had an uneasy feeling, still, but the beckoning call of sleep soon took over him; Savaric slept soundly for the remainder of the night.

This is not meant to be funny, and is actually meant to be constructive critisism so bear that in mind when i say it,

That reads like Alan Partridge has written it, too much description of the mundane and unimportant parts of what is going on.

Its clunky and doesnt flow.

You could describe the nightmare in 4 lines and be done and still convey the emotions you want.
I suppose thats the key really, is focusing on whats actually of importance in the passage and the emotion or plot point you want the reader to feel or take note of.
 
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First off, it's great that you're writing. :)

Secondly, don't be disheartened by any criticism you might receive - learning to write is a long process that eats years and is filled with research and doubt. But do keep at it because you will get there eventually.

The paragraphs you posted are in need of a bit of editing, but to encourage you I'd say that there is a solid foundation there. Generally, your sentences are too long, bits don't make sense here and there, and your punctuation needs work. Having said that, if you are writing a long piece, don't get too bogged down in the minutiae of everything - at this stage just get your words and ideas down on paper. Don't try to make it perfect. It's far better to have lots of stuff to whittle down than blank, judgemental pages that scowl at you and steal your fervour. Before a piece is finished you will have rewritten it a thousand times, anyway. Trust me on this.

I very much recommend writing short stories. They are small projects that won't overwhelm you like a novel-length project will, yet they help greatly to hone your skills while you have fun crafting characters, situations and dialogue.


I'm not particularly experienced with writing fiction but, looking at your first paragraph, I would suggest thinking about what the reader really needs to know here, and what will keep them reading. Your version is vivid and full of description, perhaps overly so - remember that readers often 'fill in the blanks' with their imaginations and don't like being bombarded with details. You could cut this section down greatly to something like:

His hand grasped the dagger’s handle. It felt rough and gnarled, like tree bark. It was a strange feeling, but a transient one, and swiftly replaced by the wet warmth of another man’s blood. He looked down into eyes that stared back up at him wide with confusion and horror—eyes that he somehow knew; that somehow stirred a long-buried memory. He withdrew the blade before plunging it into his victim a second time.

The dying man’s knees gave way and he slid backwards off the blade.

Just a quick draft and by no means gospel, but you get the idea.
 
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I have 1 x Short Story and 1 x Novella in the Kindle store, the iBookStore and the Barnes & Noble Store. I have a novel two thirds complete that finishes the story (it's a trilogy but each can be ready stand alone).

When the novel is finished I'm republishing the three volumes as one, longer, novel. Sold a few hundred copies of each. Nothing spectacular but it's a hobby not a job.
 
I write for a couple of horror film/literature websites, have written two short screenplays that went before cameras (vote-based student project) and a short and feature than until now are unproduced.

Next year, I hope to have my debut novel pinned down (gory splatter work, for those who are into that) and two more shorts written and/or shot and submitted to festivals.
 
I just write recreationally with no intention to publish, I just enjoy writing stuff down that my mind comes up with, relaxes my mood and lowers stress levels. :) Got a couple of short stories (read over 50 odd) and a longer novel that spans over 700 odd A4 pages in msoft word that has been on and off since I was... 16? Roughly 6 years ago now since I started that haha.

Not sure why I don't want to publish or share them, just wanted to write them and gave no thought of other people reading them. :S Maybe that won't be the case in the future but who knows!
 
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