US Open Tennis 2012

I had doubts he would do it when Djoko won the third and dominated the fourth set.

Glad Andy he rolled his sleeves up and got on with it though. :D

I think this will really set him off for a few more, he will train even harder from now on to get there.
 
Isn't it a great year for British sport we seem to be doing well in every area from Chelsea to athletics, swimming, motorsport, golf and now tennis.

Really great to see us as a nation competing at the highest level. Let's hope this spurs on more tennis players in the future.
 
philip2009 said:
I haven't seen the match yet but unless Murray has turned from being a decent player to one of the all time greats(which he is not on past form) I think you are over-egging the pudding a bit.
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Maybe watch the match before commenting - or at the very least read some articles about it, and then your comment will have more basis :)

Before last night Del Potro was the only other person apart from Fed, Djok and Nadal to win an Open in the last 4 years (and he only won the US once).

Also you shouldnt forget the hammering AM gave Fed in the Olympics winning in straight sets (out of five).
 
Really chuffed for him.

I've never understood the doubters over the years with this whole british/scottish thing.

Yeh he is Scottish first but still British and I as many have always wished him to win.

What a summer for the guy and for british sport, hopefully this is a spring board for him to win more grand slams. He can go on to be world no 1 I reckon
 
lemonkettaz said:
Really chuffed for him.

I've never understood the doubters over the years with this whole british/scottish thing.

Yeh he is Scottish first but still British and I as many have always wished him to win.

What a summer for the guy and for british sport, hopefully this is a spring board for him to win more grand slams. He can go on to be world no 1 I reckon
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I have never understood why AM gets so much attention from Scots patriots/nationalists. He makes no effort to attribute any of his prowess to Scotland specifically.

Tennis is not like the Olympics or supporting your national team. Tennis players thank their fans in general but play for themselves.

Good for YOU Andy.
 
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Superficial said:
I have never understood why AM gets so much attention from Scots patriots/nationalists. He makes no effort to attribute any of his prowess to Scotland specifically.

Tennis is not like the Olympics or supporting your national team. Tennis players thank their fans in general but play for themselves.

Good for YOU Andy.
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Eh? It's just about supporting the guy from your home patch, what's so hard to understand about that?

I also follow the boxer Ricky Burns - he's Scottish too you see. I don't know him personally and he also competes in a sport where he's out to win for himself.

Are you saying you can only be patriotic when it comes to team sports?
 
I never see English sportsmen and women grabbing a St George's flag, but Scottish athletes always seem to drape themselves in St Andrew's flag and talk about it being a great day for Scotland etc.

I'd like them to divide themselves from British Sport since they're always ****ing banging on about being Scotish when they win, but you don't see them making an issue about it when English men win major victories, ala Wiggins.
 
Meths said:
Eh? It's just about supporting the guy from your home patch, what's so hard to understand about that?

I also follow the boxer Ricky Burns - he's Scottish too you see. I don't know him personally and he also competes in a sport where he's out to win for himself.

Are you saying you can only be patriotic when it comes to team sports?
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Eh?

I was talking about Scottish Nationalists and the overly patriotic linking his victory to his nationality - thats why I said it.

EDIT: it has occured to me that some may not have experience with what I mean. I'm talking about those 'types' that haunt the comments section of the Scotman, Newsnet scotland etc and, in my arena - the Daily Telegraph believe it or not - there are just quite a lot of people that see AM (as just one example among many) as a poster boy for nationalistic attitudes.

There is a chasm of difference between supporting / being a fan of someone as a person and those that use his success to make them feel better about their country...that's stupid, particularly if that person makes no issue at all of their nationality.

Simple question: Does andy murray play for Scotland or Britain*? The answer is no. Does team GB represent Great Britain? The Answer is yes. Does the Scottish National Team represent Scotland? the answer is yes.

* = in standard tournament matches such as the U.S. open.
 
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HankScorpio said:
I never see English sportsmen and women grabbing a St George's flag, but Scottish athletes always seem to drape themselves in St Andrew's flag and talk about it being a great day for Scotland etc.

I'd like them to divide themselves from British Sport since they're always ****ing banging on about being Scotish when they win, but you don't see them making an issue about it when English men win major victories, ala Wiggins.
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I think that's a fair point although I have to say I did not see that much of it myself during the Olympics...though I saw it amongst the fans themselves which, initially, made me think they were being a bit crass...then I had a thought.

I think that a lot of the tension between the home countries is, to a degree, as a result of having our home nations played down.

I have often thought that if we made it a requirement to represent both GB and your home nation with a custom flag that this might be an acceptable compromise. Perhaps a 50/50 union flag and George Cross/St Andrews Cross.


National anthem is a tricky one though.
 
Superficial said:
Simple question: Does andy murray play for Scotland or Britain? The answer is no.
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The question isn't that simple though; Andy Murray does play for Britain and has an Olympic gold to prove it, he just wasn't (officially at least) representing his country whilst participating in the US Open.

You could be forgiven for thinking that he was though, given the way the media report on it; take the 2012 US Open Wikipedia entry for example, I see an awful lot of national flags on that page:
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I'm not just trying to be argumentative, I actually agree with the point you are making; unfortunately though there will always be those who take advantage of his success to promote their political agenda, Alex Salmond's comment today that "Andy Murray is a Scottish sporting legend" being a case in point.
 
tbh said:
The question isn't that simple though; Andy Murray does play for Britain and has an Olympic gold to prove it, he just wasn't (officially at least) representing his country whilst participating in the US Open.

You could be forgiven for thinking that he was though, given the way the media report on it; take the 2012 US Open Wikipedia entry for example, I see an awful lot of national flags on that page:
2012 US Open @ Wikipedia

I'm not just trying to be argumentative, I actually agree with the point you are making; unfortunately though there will always be those who take advantage of his success to promote their political agenda, Alex Salmond's comment today that "Andy Murray is a Scottish sporting legend" being a case in point.
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I think that's a great pov - I also think, though, it seems my own point regarding how the player conducts themselves is getting intermixed between how the fans conduct themselves and how the tournaments organisers conduct certain aspects of the running of said tournaments.

I think I would have to judge each player on their merit as i think I alluded to in my previous post. If a sports personality makes a point of being nationalistic that's one thing but if they don't, well. 'claiming' them is a bit sad in a way unless they are playing for a national side of some nature.
 
HankScorpio said:
The union jack is that though, combines all the home nations flags in one, now we need another one ?!
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Would have thought the answer was obvious really since we are already discussing how some sports personalities grab 'their own' flag. The Union flag is not enough for them and a lot of the fans.
 
Antx777 said:
I dont think U.S fans are like Brits. Theyre all going home now.....
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I noticed this, too.
The tennis court emptied at an astonishing rate.
About 15 minutes after the game was completed the court was empty and the place looked deserted. When Murray was walking to do the TV interview, the place was like a ghost town. There just wasn't anybody there.
 
HankScorpio said:
I never see English sportsmen and women grabbing a St George's flag, but Scottish athletes always seem to drape themselves in St Andrew's flag and talk about it being a great day for Scotland etc.

I'd like them to divide themselves from British Sport since they're always ****ing banging on about being Scotish when they win, but you don't see them making an issue about it when English men win major victories, ala Wiggins.
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I wouldn't deny that it happens from time to time but is it really that much of a problem or is it that you're seeing what you believe to be the case when the reality isn't often quite that clear cut? I take it you didn't see Sir Chris Hoy at the Olympics? Or Kath Grainger? Or Tim Baillie? Or Michael Jamieson? Or pick any one of another half dozen athletes who are Scottish but "draped" themselves in a Union Flag quite happily.

Why does it have to be a mutually exclusive pride? Is it not possible to be proud to represent Great Britain as the whole but also be proud of your own nation within that whole?
 
It's great he finally got 1 under his belt, Novak looked so strong in the 3rd and 4th i thought he was gonna run with it. Great return of serve as usual, if it wasn't so windy i think Novak would have done a lot better tbh.
 
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